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Postby Real Talk YEM » Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:23 am

Time for me to get nasty & rigorously honest.

02/20/1993-great show, not THAT great.
05/07/1994-i think the crazy segues cause this one to be overhyped.
11/14/1995-VERY overrated for me!!
12/14/1995
12/31/1995-where to start?? flubby, just overall not as good as everyone says. Weekapaug may be most overrated jam ever. the YEM is just painful to my ears.
12/06/1996-I'm just really not a huge fan at ALL.
12/07/1997-only 3 shows from this tour that I like less, and the only one without a good long jam.
04/03/1998-GREAT show. but not THAT great. the antelope is one of my least favorites ever, for the record.
07/11/2000-legendary show, but really not as good as everyone hypes it up to be.
07/15/2003
Miami 2003
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby willbreathes » Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:15 pm

Well, I would disagree with all of those... except Miami '03.
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby fone » Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:46 pm

Unfortunately I don't have a strong enough memory to recall the details of all the shows you mentioned, but I will agree with you on some of the ones I do know well.

02/20/1993-great show, not THAT great.
-Tend to agree. It is a great show, but there are parts, mostly in the second set that I'm not crazy about

12/31/1995-where to start?? flubby, just overall not as good as everyone says. Weekapaug may be most overrated jam ever. the YEM is just painful to my ears.
-Totally agree. Don't know why this show gets so much attention. Thought the NYE show from Boston three years earlier was way better.

04/03/1998-GREAT show. but not THAT great. the antelope is one of my least favorites ever, for the record.
-The first set of 4/3 is lackluster imho. The second set is solid, but it kind of depends of what kind of jamming you like from Phish. But I disagree about the Antelope and the encore to this show. Still ranks among the best I've ever heard.
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby ghost_2000 » Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:52 pm

Real Talk YEM wrote:12/31/1995-where to start?? flubby, just overall not as good as everyone says. Weekapaug may be most overrated jam ever. the YEM is just painful to my ears.


silentkiller54 wrote:
I particularly enjoy the NYE '95 version as well. Trey's playing is very forceful and tight. The whole version rocks!
Phall '95 has my top two and three of my top 5 YEM's ever. This is the third best of those IMO, which is saying a LOT. The 12/9/95 is my favorite ever, it never reaches the point that halloween 95 reaches in its first 20 minutes but the whole 34 minute thing is amazing. At one point they stop and trey starts it back up again with some amazing funk riffing before the vocal jam. My new list

5. 7/9/97
4. 12/31/95
3. 5/5/93
2. 10/31/95
1. 12/9/95
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby willbreathes » Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:04 pm

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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby SuperJay » Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:06 pm

Real Talk YEM wrote:07/11/2000-legendary show, but really not as good as everyone hypes it up to be.


Hahahaha, y'know... legendary, but not that legendary. ;) :lol:
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby ghost_2000 » Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:33 pm

Booo-urns.

7-11-00 rocks. It's only downfall is that some might view it as "gimmicky" with all the MD stuff in the second set. Those who hate on this show probably hate on 11-27-98 as well.

The "2001" and "Hood" from this show are some of my favorites, as well as a great "Moma Dance." The crowd reaction during the opening notes of "Chalkdust" is insanely intense.
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby bigB » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:10 pm

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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby Real Talk YEM » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:19 pm

Haha ghost I said that in '06 at the most recent.
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby willbreathes » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:53 pm

Ye Olde Flip-Flop.

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I'll go ahead and call 06-14-2000 the most overrated show.
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby S. Hill 88 » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:12 pm

dayton '97 = one of the best first sets ever.

roxy '93 = one of the best 2nd sets ever.

vegas '96 = one of best 2001's ever. middle first set YEM. a mike's groove with hood in the middle. harpua wackiness.

bomb factory '94 = the first tweezer > sparks might be some of their best '94 material.

UCF '95 = stashteca? yeah, i hate when they play manteca in the middle of a stash :roll: not to mention the nice foam, dsky and maze :wave:

binghamton '95 = foam? split?! tweezer ho? nice halley's? oh and ill take that beautiful slave taboot

island tour 4/3/98 = yeah i hate mike's openers, sublime rebas, and one of the thickest 2nd sets of the year. oh wait, was this the show with the roses jam? i think it was....hmm... :think: :wave:


you do realize that these mainly are considered "overrated" because they were official releases right? maybe thats why.


i guess one man's trash....
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby S. Hill 88 » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:13 pm

with that said, i agree with NYE 95 as the most overrated show ever.


camden '09 is a close 2nd :|
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby whyweigh228 » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:59 pm

^whaaaa completely disagree on camden, I think its actually one of the most UNDERRATED shows of the year...people talk about red rocks, both gorge nights, hartford, cincy shows, philly night 1, albany night 2, portland, a couple of the MSG shows, the last 3 nights of miami....while I do agree that these are among the best shows of the year, I have to say that in my opinion camden takes the cake on all of them...in terms of of new songs for the year at that point, they busted out fee, the lizards and the wedge, 46 days guyute and the only my sweet one of the summer tour as well as debuting sugar shack and joy..then we look at the jams: possibly the best wolfmans of the year that had unreal flow and some ridiculous peaks, tube>first tube to close the 1st set which was a rager and had trey joking around saying "well I think we gotta play this one now" referring to first tube, 2nd set opened with CAMDEN SAND, 22 minutes of pure perfection, what many people still consider the best jam of the year and it was only the beginning of the 1st leg of summer tour..since then they seldom had a jam that can even be considered in the same ball park as that, and finally jam-wise camden had the most underrated tweezer of the year, at 17 minutes it is the longest tweezer of the year and delivers on a similar level to miami or red rocks tweezer, if youve listened to that shit you know that it has hard hitting peaks and really goes places...if this already isnt enough to be considered one of the best shows of the year then we gotta discuss the longest encore of the year..I mean 4 song encore is just unheard of this year, but not at camden...the start of by debuting joy followed by bouncing, normally they might just kick the expected tweezer reprise after this and hit the road with a decent 3 song encore...but nooo after bouncing the go into a nice 10 minute antelope that really hits some good peaks and sums up the night, i mean after everything that was just discussed they still pulled out antelope in the encore...then they close of the encore with an amazingly placed tweeprize to keep up the high energy of the show...there really arent many shows this year that can be talked about in this way, hartford and miami night 3 may be the only other "all-encompassing phish shows" this year where there was a surrealistic syngergy of top-form jams, amazing song placement, bustouts, flow unexpectedness and magic...hope this has shed some new light on camden
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby marco » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:17 pm

whyweigh228 wrote:and finally jam-wise camden had the most underrated tweezer of the year, at 17 minutes it is the longest tweezer of the year and delivers on a similar level to miami or red rocks tweezer


The Tweezer is actually only 13 1/2 minutes or something because they leave the stage. Not to say it wasn't a sick Tweezer. Actually enjoy it more than Red Rocks.

Camden is an awesome show, but it's not underrated, IMO.
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby youenjoymyphish » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:55 pm

Camden was totally an insane show. Was my first show since they came back. The Fee was a bit flubbed but they busted right into it like a bat outta hell. Lizards was great. Paige turned my ears upside down during his solo there. The Tube>First Tube was really cool. Trey also was talking about he had prior information into this years Hockey schedule, and he knew the Flyers were going to have a good year. Although he may have been wrong it was cool to hear him mention that. Mmmmmm, and that Sand. I was getting yelled at by everyone of my buddies in the lawn during that one telling me to stop yelling so much and "freaking out". That was one helluva an encore Taboot.
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby drbadgely » Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:34 pm

I tend to agree with most of your picks, YEM.

As far as Phish's official live CD releases, I like 7/15/03 the least out of all of them, and IMO Binghamton '95 has the worst sound out of all of them. Good show though...

I remember getting tapes of 2/20 Roxy and the Bomb Factory's 2nd set, and being underwhelmed by both. I like 5/7/94 set I (didn't hear that set until LP 18), but I was really bummed when I finally heard "Tweezerfest" after years of hype. I gave that cassette away quickly.
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby willbreathes » Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:41 pm

I also prefer set one over set two of the Bomb Factory.
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby bigB » Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:43 pm

So many shows. So many opinions. I was watching an episode if the Jeffersons today and Helen Willis' father broke out " Rudolph the Red Nosed Honkey" . Like George I just about died laughing.
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby S. Hill 88 » Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:36 am

whyweigh228 wrote:...hope this has shed some new light on camden



not really for me. ive listened to this show plenty, in fact it was my most listened to show of the first leg. the lizards sucked imho. fee was going down that road but the ambient jam at the end was pretty cool. that tweezer is very overrated imo. ive heard plenty of people talk up that tweezer so it definitely doesnt come anywhere near underrated. fenway tweezer is underrated. the sand you cant really say much about, but that wasfluffed pretty hard as well. the wolfmans IS the best part of that whole show, again imo.

i really just was sick of hearing everyone fluff the shit out of this show.

amd yes the tweezer WAS 17 min. 17:03 to be exact (if your going by the livephish SBDs).

thats fine that you think camden was the best of the year, but mostly all the shows you named, imo, were better. if were talking first leg, then camden isnt even in my top 5.

but like i said earlier, one man's trash....
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby willbreathes » Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:53 am

The Camden Sand is fluffed pretty hard because it is awesome.
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby Fluffy Bunny » Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:00 am

I dont like this thread; it makes me sad :(
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby ghost_2000 » Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:47 pm

Well then get the hell out.

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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby glideandseek » Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:45 pm

This thread is funny, I don't have a definite top 5 but I can guarantee at least a few of the show listed would make an appearance on my top 5. Maybe I just enjoy overrated phish :P

12/07/97
12/31/95
04/03/98

These shows are as hyped as there are for a reason: They are the tit, the bee's knees mang!
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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby starshine526 » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:01 pm

glide9811 wrote:This thread is funny, I don't have a definite top 5 but I can guarantee at least a few of the show listed would make an appearance on my top 5. Maybe I just enjoy overrated phish :P

12/07/97
12/31/95
04/03/98

These shows are as hyped as there are for a reason: They are the tit, the bee's knees mang!


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Re: Most overrated Phish shows!!!

Postby jawbone » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:31 pm

willbreathes wrote:I also prefer set one over set two of the Bomb Factory.


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