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Postby piper » Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:24 pm

im not the hugest fan myself (as a small business owner) but he;s got the job, and its best that he's supported. thats my opinion.
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Postby Real Talk YEM » Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:29 pm

I agree with Piper about supporting the president until he does something of Bush proportions. He's innocent until proven guilty for me, so I voted for him and approve for now. The people who bitch about him can voice their complains to the RNC for not having/finding a better person to run against him than John McCain.... same for the democrats in 2004.
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Postby gamecat » Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:38 pm


Piper wrote:Q4T?


Just agreeing with you.

Quoted for Truth.
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Postby 420golgod » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:33 am

Here's a little more nonpartisan banter:

Carl Herman (LA County Nonpartisan Examiner) says:
When Lincoln proposed legislation to end slavery, his idea was a 5% federal buyout a year for 20 years to allow labor markets to adjust. Likewise, we need peaceful transition from corporate domination of profit maximization to real care for our collective health. The actions of Congress, not their ever-flowery rhetoric, demonstrate their protection of "health" insurance companies over the American publics' health.

The bill is said to require start-up costs of $2 billion. This need not be "borrowed" if another corporate interest - banking profits - were replaced with an option for the public good: monetary reform. Rather than banks having the power to create money to maximize their profits, government could create money directly for public goods and services. The savings to the public for health care reform and monetary reform are worth our readers' full attention. Both remove clever parasites.
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Postby goldphish » Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:33 pm


zoot horn rollo wrote:
goldphish wrote:What do you all think about this? Crap? Truth? Implausible? Obvious?

On August 19th Fox News aired a short piece concerning the Obama administration granting a two billion dollar loan to PETROBRAS, the government owned and operated national oil company of Brazil. Normally something like this would "fly under the radar". However there are things in this deal which smell of corruption at the presidential level.

First, the loan is specifically for oil drilling, something Mr. Obama is patently against here in the United States. We all know he is against "real world" energy independence and has shown that by canceling all oil and natural gas lease sales on public land. This has been carefully hidden from public and media review.

Second, Mr. Obama sent his National Security Advisor, General James L. Jones to Brazil to broker the deal. This is far below General Jones's pay grade so one might question just why Obama wouldn't trust someone of lesser rank to run this errand.

Third, it turns out that billionaire socialist and loyal Obama supporter, George Soros has recently acquired an 811 million dollar stake in PETROBRAS which amounts to 22% of Mr. Soros's portfolio. This is pure political payback for all the money and support funneled to Obama through MoveOn.org and other avenues during and after the presidential campaign!

Those are the facts as reported by Fox News and my research. The problem is how to get this in front of the American people when the main stream media will not touch it. The healthcare debate is at the forefront of our news as well it should be. Could it be that Obama is using healthcare as a smoke screen for this deal and who knows how many other transgressions?

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The US Export Import Bank is designed to help American companies and American workers compete in the global market place. The 2 billion dollar loan was not a give away to the commies in Brazil or a payback to "billionaire socialist" George Soros. It was designed to promote American made products in the oil industry. Phil Cogan:

"This is the government doing what it's supposed to do: Create jobs and make sure that Americans get a fair shot at selling goods and services -- not the British or the French or anyone else -- and to help American workers compete on a level playing field."

This loan ensures that Brazil will increase the global energy supplies using American made products. Oh my god, the controversy! Let's impeach Obama for providing a loan, which will be payed back plus interest, that safeguards American jobs!

Oh and by the way, the bank is self-sustaining. It does not rely on tax dollars.

http://www.exim.gov/brazil/pressrelease_082009.cfm


Cool, thanks zoot....
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Postby pdavis510 » Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:44 pm

^ Would Bush be granted the same positive view of this? The answer would be no.

I am not opposed to Obama doing this, as I see the good in it. It's just that he has opposed this type of thing before, that's my only issue. Just a politician being a politician.

I do have a problem with the Soros side of this. His hedge fund has made some major bank in the past off of key deals similar to this. He's taking advantage of the system, but I guess I really can't blame him. I wish I knew enough to do the same. Then I could afford to take us all on the fall tour! BOO YA!
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Postby 420golgod » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:07 am


pdavis510 wrote:^ Would Bush be granted the same positive view of this? The answer would be no.


You're right. After 8 years of getting to know how Bush works, it's kind of tough to see any positives, IMO, associated with that dude.

I'll give Obama the benefit of the doubt until I have reason not to.
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Re: Our President

Postby y0n » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:32 am

Well these comments look quaint now...
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Re: Our President

Postby marley » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:02 pm

Seems like W and Obama were centuries ago...
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Re: Our President

Postby Harpua » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:14 pm

Being a white man in the automotive industry, it is generally assumed that I am a Trumper. This annoys me. I had a meeting with one of the largest manufacturers of heavy machinery earlier this week, and it started out with one dude slobbing Trump's knob. It was disgusting.
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Re: Our President

Postby hosemasterflex » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:02 pm

Amazing that we don't typically talk politics here, I've often wondered why. But then it's not typically fun either, so I don't mind. I live in a conservative white town that seems to love the guy, and it's pretty rough. The news is making me crazy on a daily basis while this jerk does every destructive maneuver in the book. I want to tell his supporters: He's not destroying what you THINK he's destroying.
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Postby Harpua » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:24 pm

^ I generally avoid talking politics to keep the peace (Twitter is a different story). When I want to upset people here, I just give a show a bad review.
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Re: Our President

Postby El Bastarde » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:16 pm

Amazing that we don't typically talk politics here,

Because politics fucking suck, it's all about which lies you believe, and it's not even remotely enjoyable to discuss it. I've seen a few other jamband boards that have a politics section and it's awful...just millenials acting like victims, claiming they know all the answers and insulting anyone who has a dissenting opinion. Politics makes people retarded.

In the end, I think we overreact far too much to what folks say (or tweet) since usually nothing comes of it. And given that almost nothing Trump is doing is being voted on by Congress, basically all of it will be reversed once he's gone just as easily as it was passed. That's politics now, it seems. He's a minor inconvenience but isn't near as bad as some other presidents I can think of (starting a war for no reason, for example).

In the end, it's very humorous to see how media and other politicians have no idea how to handle him at all. When I see folks hurling insults and playing his game, it just gives him exactly what he wants. Even more disappointing that Trump has been the extremely childish ways that many politicians have tried to deal with him. They're all so stupid.

And I'm convinced there's no such thing as unbiased media anymore...it just plain doesn't exist. I used to bristle about the idea of the "liberal media" but it's impossible to ignore now...folks don't even try to pretend they're not biased while, at the same time, still claiming to be news organizations.
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Re: Our President

Postby hosemasterflex » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:41 pm

Which lies indeed. Trouble is, the alternate media folks are turning to is even faker.
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Re: Our President

Postby El Bastarde » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:31 pm

Trouble is, the alternate media folks are turning to is even faker.

So true. Like 10 years ago, I knew folks who insisted that Infowars was giving us the "real" stories. I wonder what they think now.
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Re: Our President

Postby ErrandWolfe » Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:14 am

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Re: Our President

Postby Harpua » Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:13 pm

^ Maybe if he'd release an album ever once in a while.
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Re: Our President

Postby El Bastarde » Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:51 pm

^ Maybe if he'd release an album ever once in a while.

Didn't he like release one album a day for like two months one time? I figure you can bust out one of those.
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Re: Our President

Postby Harpua » Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:00 pm

El Bastarde wrote:^ Maybe if he'd release an album ever once in a while.

Didn't he like release one album a day for like two months one time? I figure you can bust out one of those.


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Re: Our President

Postby themomadans » Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:58 pm

El Bastarde wrote:Trouble is, the alternate media folks are turning to is even faker.

So true. Like 10 years ago, I knew folks who insisted that Infowars was giving us the "real" stories. I wonder what they think now.


Probably the same. Infowars and the like are still extremely popular, perhaps moreso than ever.
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