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Postby zoot horn rollo » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:44 pm

Yeah. I really need to get a subscription to Rolling Stone so I can get a handle on them.
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Postby SuperJay » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:49 pm

^ Does this "Rolling Stone" news magazine have hot chicks with boobies?
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Postby Atoms » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:52 pm

I really can't formulate a position on politics. What I have gathered though, is that our system is really fucked up. The people who seem to have the right ideas never have a snowflakes chance in hell of being elected. This leads me to just live my life how I think it should be and hopefully influence others around me to work towards a better existence and not really worry about politics.
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Postby Fugazi » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:52 pm

You guys sure are silly. Matt Taibbi is highly credible in the fake progressive mainstream world.

How about this why don't you tell me who is credible so I can track down the facts that you might be open to?
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Postby Fugazi » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:57 pm

Zoot and Super Jay, you guys are against the wars right?

Or do you think we have to fight the wars to disrupt Al Qaeda?
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Postby SuperJay » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:58 pm

^ Sorry man, not trying to be offensive and I'm not making fun of you, personally. Just making light of the whole silly situation.
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Postby 420golgod » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:03 pm

Thnkfrstpal wrote: "HEALTH CARE (THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA CHANGE IS YOUR GONNA HAVE MANDATORY PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE AS DETAILED BY THE TAIBBI ARTICLE MENTIONED ABOVE."

What are you saying? Mandatory private insurance? What did I miss?
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Postby Fugazi » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:10 pm

YES, as detailed in Matt Taibbi's new article on healthcare in Rolling Stone or read the article free on line by googling: healthcare, Matt taibbi, Keep in mind this guy is a liberal ta boot
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Postby Fugazi » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:13 pm

Do I need to post Rachel Maddow exposing Obama continuing indefinite detention as well?

Jeez.
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Postby SuperJay » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:35 pm

^ I'm not really sure what you're after. You seem to think that we should all agree with you, and if only we had all the information, we would do so automatically. That is, in a word, wrong. Your head is filled with assumptions about those who don't share your views. Where do you get the idea that having progressive values means blindly agreeing with everything any Democrat does or says?
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Postby Fluffy Bunny » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:40 pm


zoot horn rollo wrote:I campaigned for Obama in Ohio


I campaigned against McCaine in Ohio before the primaries, did you see this car:
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pulling this trailer:
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Postby 420golgod » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:41 pm

^^^I didn't read it, yet, but what I think what you're not elaborating on here, Thnkfrstpal, is that it would be mandatory to have private insurance or the public option. The reason for this is so the hospitals/doctors/nurses/administrators get paid, which will eventually drive down the amount the government/insurance cos/consumers pays for HC.
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Postby Emmet Grogan » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:42 pm

I agree with thnkfrstpl in that I'd like to see more people get behind Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul.
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Postby Fugazi » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:50 pm

No sir, the public option is now off the table as of last week in 4 out of the 5 bills bouncing around Congress and according to the Taibbi article.
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Postby Fugazi » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:59 pm

What am I after?

It's not about agreeing with me, it's about the fact that

These wars are wrong
Nafta is wrong
Patriot act is a fraud
Fisa is criminal

You do agree with the above right?

I mean come on!!
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Postby pdavis510 » Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:04 pm

Everything government has touched in the last 50 years just gets worse. I hate both parties, I like the Kucinich / Paul approach above. At least they are somewhat different from the uneducated drones that currently run the country. I want strict term limits - 1 term presidents, 4 yrs for a senator, 4 yrs for a congressperson (just to match the senatorial / president term length). There should not be any "czars", or atleast I cannot think of a reason that they are necessary. Keep things changing, and maybe we can get away from the ridiculous partisan crap we get shoved down our throats every day - on the wars, on socialized medicine, on all of the endless spending and pandering.

That, and institute public campaign financing - make lobbyist donations illegal and apply very stiff penalties for the breaking of the rules.

I now step down from my soapbox....for now.
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Postby marco » Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:12 pm

Emmett said earlier in this thread that America has a consciousness problem. That is correct, however it applies to all of humanity.
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Postby phishreference » Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:20 pm


SuperJay wrote:I heard that the healthcare bill includes a provision for mandatory two-way TVs in every household so Obama can watch me masturbate.


I have one of those except it got all switched up and I got to watch Obama whack it.
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Postby zoot horn rollo » Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:23 pm


thnkfrstpal wrote:Zoot and Super Jay, you guys are against the wars right?

Or do you think we have to fight the wars to disrupt Al Qaeda?


In Iraq... no.

In Afganistan...

I think a combination of special forces operations and funding of social infrastructure (schools, roads, clinics) would be more effective and morally acceptable than the current paradigm.

And yes, I do think that it is ethical for us to conduct surgical strikes against Al Qaeda.
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Postby Fugazi » Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:40 pm

^and in your mind why is the commander in chief NOT doing that?

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Postby zoot horn rollo » Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:58 pm

Hopefully, he will be trending that way. I think that Obama is pretty good at managing his political capital. I think he understands that he needs to be strategic about his agenda.

Then again, there are areas where I disagree with him (namely, education), and this may be another. I don't have to be in total agreement to support his administration. I'd rather support and lobby him and the Democrats than denounce them and do nothing.
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Postby SuperJay » Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:19 am


pdavis510 wrote:Everything government has touched in the last 50 years just gets worse.


I really want to argue this point. But, if I do, it's just "yet another tax-n-spend liberal who loves big government and massive pork programs etc etc." :(

So, right on. I'mma eat an apple, and finish listening to the Gorge show 8-)
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Postby 420golgod » Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:20 am


zoot horn rollo wrote:
Then again, there are areas where I disagree with him (namely, education), and this may be another. I don't have to be in total agreement to support his administration. I'd rather support and lobby him and the Democrats than denounce them and do nothing.


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Postby Fugazi » Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:23 am

Do you think your being realistic based on the fact that Northrop and Boeing and the weapons makers and bomb makers have more lobbyists and money than the citizens? And I believe that I read in the last month in the times that Obama wants to send 20k-50k more troops there very soon.

How long in your estimation should we wait and hope and lobby in your opinion?

If your wrong, what then? Do we go through another election and vote for the next corporate sponsor? What would you suggest?
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Postby zoot horn rollo » Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:36 am

I believe that he has more integrity than that. I think that he plans to surge and stabilize, and then adjust toward a strategy based on infrastructure projects (hearts and minds). I could be wrong though.

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