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Re: Star Wars

Postby goldphish » Wed May 29, 2013 12:17 am

there's some echos up in here, up in here..

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Re: Star Wars

Postby phishinsky » Wed May 29, 2013 3:03 pm

El Bastarde wrote:Up in here, Up in here...

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Re: Star Wars

Postby hosemasterflex » Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:05 am

Hey dudes there's this new Star Wars movie, who 'seen it? :geek:

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Re: Star Wars

Postby willbreathes » Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:56 pm

I've seen things.
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Re: Star Wars

Postby El Bastarde » Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:25 pm

MAJOR SPOILERS BELOW! BEWARE!!

I saw it on Saturday. Not too bad...feels like it could fit right in with the original three movies in the "feel" sense. I liked how they still included goofy stuff like a shot of a weird muppet-esque bird bashing it's beak into some metal object...just to add some of that atmosphere.

There were a few honky moments like R2D2 randomly being shut down and then just coming to life at the most convenient time for the plot...I didn't quite get why he was out in the first place. And, when you think about it, the idea of there being a map to Skywalker makes you wonder who made the map in the first place and how it got lost...but it's best to not think TOO much on Star Wars...they're designed to be pretty simple storylines. I saw it with my parents and really didn't have to explain anything to them outside of the names of a few of the characters.

I was pleased to see that Andy Serkis plays the new Supreme Leader villain...that dude's a great actor so I'm hoping the villain will be worthwhile. Loved the fight scenes and the part where Rey inserts her will on Ren and reads his mind was pretty sweet. (Also, apparently Daniel Craig plays the Stormtrooper who Rey uses the Jedi Mind trick on which is pretty cool since I didn't recognize him).
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Re: Star Wars

Postby y0n » Thu Dec 31, 2015 3:53 am

El Bastarde wrote:MAJOR SPOILERS BELOW! BEWARE!!

I saw it on Saturday. Not too bad...feels like it could fit right in with the original three movies in the "feel" sense. I liked how they still included goofy stuff like a shot of a weird muppet-esque bird bashing it's beak into some metal object...just to add some of that atmosphere.

There were a few honky moments like R2D2 randomly being shut down and then just coming to life at the most convenient time for the plot...I didn't quite get why he was out in the first place. And, when you think about it, the idea of there being a map to Skywalker makes you wonder who made the map in the first place and how it got lost...but it's best to not think TOO much on Star Wars...they're designed to be pretty simple storylines. I saw it with my parents and really didn't have to explain anything to them outside of the names of a few of the characters.

I was pleased to see that Andy Serkis plays the new Supreme Leader villain...that dude's a great actor so I'm hoping the villain will be worthwhile. Loved the fight scenes and the part where Rey inserts her will on Ren and reads his mind was pretty sweet. (Also, apparently Daniel Craig plays the Stormtrooper who Rey uses the Jedi Mind trick on which is pretty cool since I didn't recognize him).



Spoilers!!
IIRC the map was to the original Jedi temple where they were fairy certain Luke was hanging out, not actually to his whereabouts, if that makes sense
EDIT: Actually on my second viewing this is unclear exactly what the map was
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Re: Star Wars

Postby Katiemay » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:58 pm

Saw it yesterday. Loved it. Agree with what Stevo said about the "feel" and the humor. Nostalgia factor was through the roof. Teared up a few times and more than that once. Left the theater just trying to maintain composure.
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Re: Star Wars

Postby hosemasterflex » Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:29 pm

I've been reading all this really really negative shit about this movie at theforce.net's message board ... just curious what the analysis is. Holy crap people are impossible.

I loved this movie.

I don't think it touches the first two films; what really does?

But I don't think it's that far ahead of any of the other four. It certainly beats Attack of the Clones in my book, ... but not by miles or anything. That movie still has a lot of good things going for it, despite what irks me.

I think people are entirely too harsh on the prequels ... I like the prequel albums and think they did as well as could be expected (from an older rock band like Star Wars).

But you know, VII: TFA has its share of lame dialogue, and there are legit complaints about it (just like the prequel complaints are legit) ...

I guess at this point I think I like it more than Attack of the Clones & Return of the Jedi ... but I can't bring myself to say I like it more than I or III. I think in time people will calm down. Prequel haters might never be swayed an inch. But I think in general those three films will be appreciated more than they currently are.

The Force Awakens suffers from two main things IMO - 1) Snoke is a frustratingly uninteresting villain, and 2) It's all but a reboot of 'IV: A New Hope'.

That said, I don't freaking mind. The Starkiller Base business is a little ridiculous and impossible, and the Nazi allusion is a little too blatant ... shit like that in there ... but you know, people who don't like this film whatsoever expected Gamehenge II.
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Re: Star Wars

Postby El Bastarde » Mon Jan 04, 2016 3:05 pm

SPOILERS BELOW!!

IIRC the map was to the original Jedi temple where they were fairy certain Luke was hanging out, not actually to his whereabouts, if that makes sense

This is kinda what I guessed it was but they never really call it that...just "a map to Skywalker." Doesn't explain why it was split in two or why R2D2 didn't bother to show it to anyone but, hey, it's a movie.

I've been reading all this really really negative shit about this movie at theforce.net's message board

Ug...now why would you go to a dedicated Star Wars board about this? You know it's just dorks who seem to think that Star Wars' writing is on the level of the Godfather and who are bummed when a movie series mostly directed at kids doesn't give them some deep storyline. Of course they'll nitpick it.

I don't think it touches the first two films; what really does

It doesn't...but how do you top Darth Vader in those two movies? Not possible. But it felt like it "belonged" with those original movies, if that makes sense.

But you know, VII: TFA has its share of lame dialogue, and there are legit complaints about it

I felt there were a few small annoying plot things and JJ Abrams seems to be a big fan of circumstance to get his characters out of jams but that's no real surprise. I heard some whiny stuff about how [s]Rey should never have been able to take out Ren[/s] but that worked for me in my mind for many reasons.

The Force Awakens suffers from two main things IMO - 1) Snoke is a frustratingly uninteresting villain, and 2) It's all but a reboot of 'IV: A New Hope'.

I'll give Snoke a bit of a chance to shine...to be fair, he's really doing the same role the Emperor did in the first two Star Wars movies where he's just a hologram who gives orders...they have Andy Serkis playing him who can really make a role shine if given the chance...I'll hold out on Snoke being more interesting.

As for the reboot stuff, I'll give you that. I was surprised at how many parallels this movie had to New Hope. First Order looking just like the Empire, Rey being very similar to Luke as a pilot from a desert planet, Snoke in the Emperor role, Solo (Rey's mentor) getting killed similar to Obi Wan (Luke's mentor), blowing up another "Death Star" which blows up planets, pilots going down a "valley" in the Death Star in similar fashion, etc, etc.
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Re: Star Wars

Postby ghost » Sat Mar 05, 2016 6:16 pm

I saw The Force Awakens just after Christmas. I liked it. It had lots of cool parts, and it had the "feel" of the original movies, like you guys said. It didn't have anything really great that I was thinking about for awhile after I saw it. I can't even remember much of it now. I'll have to watch it again when the DVD comes out.

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Re: Star Wars

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Re: Star Wars

Postby hosemasterflex » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:55 pm

Lego Star Wars (that first one they made of the prequels) is in my top all time ever video games played. Not sayin much, I'm no gamer. But an awesomely fun game.

I read that the next Episode might be titled either "Tale of the Jedi Temple" or "The Order of the Dark Side."

I could live with that first one. But the second one is just ... whut? That's stupid, if you ever cared about the SW mythology at all.
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Re: Star Wars

Postby El Bastarde » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:01 pm

Lego Star Wars (that first one they made of the prequels) is in my top all time ever video games played.

Dude, I love the Lego games. It's the same basic formula in each but they're a lot of fun and have a good sense of humor. I've played the ones for Star Wars, Clone Wars, Lord of the Rings, Indiana Jones, Batman, and Marvel. I'm a lil wary that this new one is only based on one game (while the original was based on three) but hopefully they pack it with content. Supposedly it also has some "post Return of the Jedi" stuff to fill in gaps in the story too.

I read that the next Episode might be titled either "Tale of the Jedi Temple" or "The Order of the Dark Side."

Meh...I don't think they can do worse than "Attack of the Clones." I'm not big on either title...both are too long.

But the second one is just ... whut? That's stupid, if you ever cared about the SW mythology at all.

Yes, but it's only stupid in Star Wars mythology if you follow the Sith history...except the Sith basically died with Palpatine so all the old rules are dead. Maybe a "Dark Side Order" is the next version of the Sith.

People take Star Wars lore too seriously anyway. For all the lore and history, each movie just ends up being an action movie where plot is secondary. Why care so much about the lore when the movies barely do?
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Re: Star Wars

Postby ghost » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:25 pm

Anyone see The Last Jedi?

I liked it. Plenty of action and cool stuff to look at. Too many elements from The Empire Strikes Back, but I understand that they're trying to link the old movies. How much more can they do? I think George Lucas finished doing all the cool stuff when he made Episodes 1-3. I understand the talk of these 9 movies being the end of the Skywalker story. It's been told. I enjoyed the untold mini story in Rogue One. I'm looking forward to the Han Solo movie.

I don't know if I like the funny stuff or not. Luke "milking" that big creature and drinking it was goofy/lame but somehow funny. I liked that it was mostly to weird Rey out. The kid me would be appalled to see the great Jedi Luke Skywalker doing that, but I just don't care anymore. It's a movie. Rey pissing off the Jedi-temple-upkeep-maid creatures by blasting a hole in the wall and then taking out their wheelbarrow was funny.
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Re: Star Wars

Postby hosemasterflex » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:46 pm

ghost wrote:Anyone see The Last Jedi?

I liked it. Plenty of action and cool stuff to look at. Too many elements from The Empire Strikes Back, but I understand that they're trying to link the old movies. How much more can they do? I think George Lucas finished doing all the cool stuff when he made Episodes 1-3. I understand the talk of these 9 movies being the end of the Skywalker story. It's been told. I enjoyed the untold mini story in Rogue One. I'm looking forward to the Han Solo movie.

I don't know if I like the funny stuff or not. Luke "milking" that big creature and drinking it was goofy/lame but somehow funny. I liked that it was mostly to weird Rey out. The kid me would be appalled to see the great Jedi Luke Skywalker doing that, but I just don't care anymore. It's a movie. Rey pissing off the Jedi-temple-upkeep-maid creatures by blasting a hole in the wall and then taking out their wheelbarrow was funny.


I've seen it three times now, and I think I like it more each time. My first viewing was tough, I was in a bad mood, and didn't know how to process what felt like a series of disappointing reveals. And all of the various missions and battles are frustrating in this movie the first time, because they all fail and take forever.

But once you get your head around it, it's really a very good SW installment. I like it more than TFA for sure. Rogue One is so cool that I'm not sure how to compare it to TLJ. Not especially excited for Solo but I hope they surprise me.

Also not that pumped for Episode IX because they didn't leave a whole lot unresolved, the way VII did.

I thought the humor was typical of a SW movie, but maybe funnier than usual. My favorite funny moments are Leia's quip to C-3PO in the beginning, and the entire Mas Canata scene.
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Re: Star Wars

Postby El Bastarde » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:05 pm

It's maybe the first time since RTJ that a Star Wars movie felt like it was actually trying to break away from the legacy of the original trilogy. Felt refreshing. I tossed this list together after watching:

Things I liked:

-All Ren/Rey interactions. These could have been terrible and they came off as some of the better scenes in the movie.
-Killing off Snoke when we thought we were getting yet another Emperor ripoff. He was cool but Ren is better.
-The way they killed Snoke. Loved the upper torso flopping off.
-Almost everything with Adam Driver as Ren. Has this great combination of anger and power yet shows vulnerability and how he desperately wants a partner with him in this. When he says "please" when he asks Rey to join him was a cool touch.
-Ren being the Big Bad in the next movie. This series is about him and I'm glad it's staying that way. He's one of the most interesting character in the whole series.
-The subtle humor like how Hux reaches for his blaster but then puts it away as Ren starts to wake up. Or when we get a shirtless Ren and Rey stutters on how he could put on a shirt. Or how Rey tried to snatch her saber from Snoke and it spins around and nails her in the head.
-Finn and Rose's interactions. They go well together.
-Poe. He's basically the "new Han Solo" but I like the guy. Loved him trolling Hux at the start of the movie.
-Being surprised at how good Hamill and Fisher were.
-Luke's first moment being him tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder.
-The implication that this Empire vs Rebels thing should maybe be done away with entirely. Del Toro shows how people are profiting from both sides and Ren seems to imply moving on from both sides as well. I kinda wondered if this was about the series in general trying to rip away from the legacy of the old movies holding it down.
-When Rey mentions the "moving rocks" line from earlier in the movie at the end.
-The first scene which, while weird for introducing a bunch of characters and then killing them off immediately, was still pretty cool.
-That Rey really doesn't have some super-important parents. It's a little tiring how everyone who does anything in this series has to be related to a Skywalker in some way. Another good example of them breaking away from the series legacy.
-The awesome light-speed ship attack.
-R2D2 playing the original Princess Leia message for Luke. Maybe one of the coolest moments in the movie.
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Re: Star Wars

Postby hosemasterflex » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:48 am

^Hey great post, totally agree with you for once, lol! Nice way to break it all down. That light speed ship attack moment, with the lightsaber breaking right then and all that, with the sound going out ... really a great moment.
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Re: Star Wars

Postby hosemasterflex » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:18 am

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full parody of the Sgt Pepper album, telling the story of Star Wars IV: A New Hope in shockingly excellent fashion, do not fail to enjoy.

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Re: Star Wars

Postby El Bastarde » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:04 pm

^Hey great post, totally agree with you for once, lol

I actually had a list of "things I didn't like" but I kept getting kicked/banned from OKP for a half-hour when I'd post them. I still have no clue why it wouldn't work. I'll try to post them too.

with the lightsaber breaking right then and all that, with the sound going out ... really a great moment.

Reminded me of the "delayed explosions" they had in Empire but on a much cooler scale.
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Re: Star Wars

Postby El Bastarde » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:42 pm

Things I wasn't big on:

-Phasma's useless appearance. It almost felt like they believed she was a mistake in the first place and just got rid of her to be done with it. (A lot of this felt like it was correcting mistakes made by Abrams). Also, why they don't mass-produce her blaster-resistant armor for their en tire army is beyond me.
-The extremely convenient way Finn/Rose escaped. A giant light-speed ship blows it in half and the entire hanger is on fire but they're untouched and there just happens to be an intact ship there which no one else is stealing.
-That weird stuff when Rey went into the "dark hole in the ground." The multiple-Reys thing was strange and you thought there'd be some Dark Side temptation down there but nothing much happens.
-The pointless Maz Kanata cameo put in to remind us that she exists. Also, talking on the phone while in a gun battle looks really stupid.
-Space Mary Poppins with Leia. Just should have been done better. Though I'm glad the movie surprised me by keeping her alive.
-Finn's use in general. It's clear he didn't have much to do this movie but they had to do something. I actually like the character and actor but it kinda felt appropriate when it looked like he was dying at the end. Saving him felt like a bit of a red herring.
-The length. Could have been shorter but then every time I felt it was dragging, they had some scene that drew me back in.
-The fact that Abrams is back to do the next movie. I don't think he has the guts to keep this thing moving away from the past movies.
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