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Re: Star Wars

Postby Harpua » Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:50 pm

Of course nothing to do with his buffoonery "saved" the rebellion so I don't know what that means.

Poe's stall and subsequent attack gave the rebellion time to evacuate the planet and jump to hyperspace. If Hux hadn't fallen for the trick, the fleet would have been destroyed before clearing the planet and jumping to hyperspace.

it's the first time I felt ANY of these movies was trying break away from the nostalgia death-spiral of the original tilogy.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, because you could probably say that about Attack of the Clones. It gave us a mostly original story with some similarities to the original trilogy here and there (Obi-Wan's half was original, but the Anakin / Padme stuff had some Han / Leia similarities), and it didn't use callbacks to the original trilogy for comedy or to advance the plot.

But are you REALLY expecting as much from those movies as you are from the latest Star Wars entry? It's the same genre of movie but no one asks all these nitpicky questions about something like Deadpool. Star Wars diehards just expect too much of these movies and they'll never get it

Since the writing staffs and directors change from movie to movie, I expect uneven quality. In this case, I guess I was expecting satisfying resolutions to: How is Luke going to react? Who are Rey's parents? Who is Snoke? Luke's reaction made sense, and I even didn't mind Rey's parents being "no one", but since they deflated the balloon on those answers, it would have been nice to get a satisfying resolution to the Snoke question. His actions were important to the plot, but without knowing who he was, how he came to power, how he learned the force, what his motivations were, they made a cool looking, main bad guy a weak character.

Also I am far from a diehard. There have been six Star Wars movies released in my lifetime - I've liked two. I don't read the books, own merch, and I've never seen the Christmas Special.

I would suggest you hop OFF Twitter

Trust me, NOBODY wants this. Just like I use the OKP to get my Phish stuff out of my system, so people who don't care about Phish don't have to listen to me talk about Phish, Twitter is where I get my Star Trek bullshit out of my system. Because there is a decent amount crossover in those fandoms, a ton of Star Wars nonsense pops up in my feed. (But I get what you are saying.)
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Re: Star Wars

Postby El Bastarde » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:46 pm

Poe's stall and subsequent attack gave the rebellion time to evacuate the planet and jump to hyperspace.

I think you're mixing it up. Poe's communication with Hux was at the start of the fight to allow him to take out the guns on the main ship which allowed then those bombers to take out the dreadnaught. There wasn't much escaping until later.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, because you could probably say that about Attack of the Clones.

Ew, no. How can the prequels claim to be breaking away from the nostalgia when they were basically created to show us the past of multiple characters from the original trilogy? There's like maybe one major character from the original trilogy even left alive at the end of TLJ...unless you count Chewie or the droids who aren't doing much. And Ren taking down Snoke is a huge break-off point from the original to me. I didn't expect this series to surprise me at all and TLJ did it.

and it didn't use callbacks to the original trilogy for comedy or to advance the plot.

You ain't kidding. The prequels couldn't have been more humorless or soulless is they tried. Their idea of humor was JarJar stumbling around on a battlefield. Ug.

Since the writing staffs and directors change from movie to movie, I expect uneven quality.

As do I, and I blame some of the uneven moments on Abrams leaving messes for Johnson to clean up. Ren being beaten by a novice, a Palapatine ripoff in charge of an Empire ripoff with little explanation, the pointless Phasma character, needing something to do with Finn with Rey gone, etc, etc.

Who is Snoke?

I'm just tired of this "we don't know his backstory" thing. We didn't know Palpatine's backstory in the original trilogy. And we didn't need it. We knew exactly what he was about the second we saw the guy and didn't need any further explanation. Why do we now need some expansive backstory of Snoke when we never needed one for Palps (and when he's virtually identical to Palps)? And when exactly was this 2 1/2 hour movie going to just randomly fit in some backstory that had no place and about a character who wasn't the focus?...they were busy filling in Ren's backstory which was the correct decision since he's a main character and is far more interesting. You're asking the impossible. Even if Snoke had lived through TLJ, you STILL weren't getting any backstory. Leave that backstory crap to the comic books.

His actions were important to the plot, but without knowing who he was, how he came to power, how he learned the force, what his motivations were, they made a cool looking, main bad guy a weak character.

Once again, you didn't know any of that about Palps. And, heck, outside of some vague comments on him being some good guy who turned to the dark side and was Luke's Dad, you didn't know shit about Vader either. Are either of them "weak characters" as a result? This whole "needs a backstory" thing is a total myth. Some of the greatest villains in cinema have had little-to-no backstory and don't even have much character development...that's only some "dork thing" where they have to know the backstory and info on every single event in a movie...I never hear this from normal movie-goers.

Also I am far from a diehard.

I get that since you're far more reasonable than most Jedi diehards, but your gripes are similar to theirs. This weird obsession with backstory is something I only see from uber dorks of this series and it doesn't make sense to me. You can't have all that stuff and yet have a sensible action movie.

Because there is a decent amount crossover in those fandoms, a ton of Star Wars nonsense pops up in my feed. (But I get what you are saying.)

I was mostly kidding there. Do what you want, of course. I just don't much value the opinions of the Twitter hordes and I don't think they represent any sense of a majority.
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Re: Star Wars

Postby SirChompsAlot » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:57 pm

Nothing to add here other than the fact that I saw TLJ twice in the theater, liked it both times, but liked it even more the second time.
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Re: Star Wars

Postby willbreathes » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:42 pm

Solo?

No, we want Sulu!

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Re: Star Wars

Postby El Bastarde » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:19 pm

Yuck. Just have no interest in the Solo movie. Or the rumored Boba Fett movie.
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Re: Star Wars

Postby Harpua » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:03 pm

Looks really bad. I'll wait until it is on Netflix.

Now I could get behind a Sulu origin story. How did he make the transition from Astroscience to Helm? Did he have to go back to the Academy for that, or was it on the job training? How did he get into botany and fencing? Since he grew up in San Francisco, did he get to live at home while he was at Starfleet Academy, or did he have to live in the dorms? So many unanswered questions.
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Re: Star Wars

Postby El Bastarde » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:35 pm

Looks really bad. I'll wait until it is on Netflix.

Has nothing to do with that. I just hate the concept of folks tacking on some lazy backstory onto a character that doesn't need one for the sake of fanservice. I don't ever like this practice and it's why I'm already out on a Fett or Obi Wan movie. Though it's very strange seeing everyone already decide that the new Solo actor is bad simply based on rumors and the extra small sample size of acting that the trailer gave us. Poor dude doesn't stand a chance.

Now I could get behind a Sulu origin story.

Considering that the new Star Trek narrative already butchered the character in the remakes and decided to make him gay simply because his original actor is gay makes me pretty dubious on anything Sulu-related. How do they even do a past on him now that the movied erased his entire history? Is it the original Sulu who helmed the Excelsior or whatever Sulu that Abrams came up with? But I guess I haven't watched anything Star Trek in a while so it doesn't much matter.
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Re: Star Wars

Postby Harpua » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:32 pm

^ 100% kidding about the Sulu backstory. TOS (prime universe) really only gave two characters a history - Kirk and Spock, and they retconned a Dr. McCoy history. (One that involves him fooling around with a Trill!)

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Re: Star Wars

Postby y0n » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:07 pm

Part of the mystique of Han Solo is that his backstory isn’t known. There’s no need to fill that out from a storytelling perspective. Disney should just move on from the Skywalker saga to making a new storyline set in the same universe. That being said I’ll probably still see it in theaters, I’m a sucker for Star Wars content.
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Re: Star Wars

Postby Harpua » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:38 pm

I'm hoping that Solo is exactly like Casino Royale. We meet Han; we get a few lines of dialog that tell you a few things about who he is (we know who he is - we've been watching him for 40 years); he goes to space Vegas and plays in a 50 minute space poker tournament (where he meets and befriends Chewie); he wins the Falcon; the girl dies; and "Han Solo will return in 'Death Star of Solace."
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Re: Star Wars

Postby hosemasterflex » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:09 pm

Imagine if they don't kill off Leia? Like, she just goes mythical and hides away. We get a couple holograms.
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