42° and PhanArt Present: The Art of the Fans of Phish

Phish General
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42° and PhanArt Present: The Art of the Fans of Phish Poster show June 20th

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

May 1, 2010

Poster show announced to benefit The Mockingbird Foundation

GLENS FALLS, NY, MAY 1, 2010: “42° and PhanArt Present: The Art of the Fans of Phish” is a poster show taking place on June 20th, 2010 at 42° to benefit The Mockingbird Foundation (www.mockingbirdfoundation.org). The event coinciding with Phish’s two-night run at the Saratoga Performing Arts Center will take place on June 20th, 2010 from 11am – 3pm at 42° Art and Glass Gallery located at 23 Park St, Glens Falls, NY. Artists on hand displaying and selling their work will include AJ Masthay, Erin Cadigan, Jon Blake, Mike Wren and Ryan Sullivan. Work will also be shown and available for purchase from artists such as Ryan Kerrigan, Isadora Bullock, Vinny Naro, Jami Dudenhoeffer, Jason Lees, Cody Schibi, Josh Carpenter, and Jeremy Lebediker. More artists will be announced in the coming weeks as well.

The event is open to the public and is free of charge. A complimentary Sunday brunch will also be served.
Representatives from The Mockingbird Foundation will be on hand and all artists involved have agreed to donate a portion of their sales to The Mockingbird Foundation.

42° is an Art and Glass Gallery specializing in independently blown glass pipes from regional and national artists as well as displaying and selling limited edition prints from artists inspired by the music of Phish. 42° is located at 23 Park St, on the corner of Park and Elm, in Glens Falls, NY. Approximately 15 minutes north of Saratoga Springs via I-87 off of Exit 18.

PhanArt: The Art of the Fans of Phish is a book compiled and edited by Albany, NY resident Pete Mason. Now in its second printing, the book contains artwork and interviews with those involved in the Phish community. Since its inception PhanArt has donated all of its net profits to The Mockingbird Foundation, over $2,000 to date. (www.phanart.net/blog)

The Mockingbird Foundation is a charitable organization founded to support music education for children. The foundation was set up in 1996 by fans of the band Phish and has since raised over $600,000 through donations and sales of the book The Phish Companion as well as the Phish tribute compilation CD Sharing in the Groove. (www.mockingbirdfoundation.org)

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42°
23 Park St.
Glens Falls, NY 12801
(518) 223-0403
myspace.com/42degreesny
facebook.com/#/group.php?gid … 845&ref=ts

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The PhanArt Blog: An online Phish lot with all the shirts, posters, stickers, and all the other Phish fan creations (plus PhanArt: The Art of the Fans of Phish) www.phanart.net/blog

www.twitter.com/phanart

PHAN FOOD: From the tour lot to the kitchen pot, A Cookbook by Phish fans for Phish Fans! www.phanfood.com

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Hooray for advertising! :thumbup:

Maybe we could have a subforum for these commercials and stuff, where people could buy and sell their crap. OH WAIT… :wave:

#3

maybe you should give it a rest. it for charity, its a poster show, its something everyone can appreciate. im not selling anything, im sharing it with fans

chill out jay, you’re turning OKP into PT

#4

Oh shit, those meddling kids have discovered my secret plan. Curses! Foiled again. :unamused:

And c’mon Pete… PhanArt’s stated purpose is to sell things. Cool things - things I enjoy looking at, for the most part - but it’s not like you’re participating in discussion about the band or the music. You generally just post commercials. If you’d rather not hear what people think about those commercials… maybe put them in the forum specifically set aside for commercials. Otherwise, we’re free to express our opinions, yeah? It’s not like this is PT or something, hahaha :wave:

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No, PhanArt’s Mission, as stated on the website is: to compile and preserve art created by Phish fans for the Phish community and, in the course of such work, to also benefit The Mockingbird Foundation, which raises funds for music education for children.

So please retract what you just said. This is about the community, something that helped to get the band where it is today. Thanks for missing the whole point of PhanArt, both the Book and the Blog. We sell very little, and what we do makes money for charity.

Or you could just hit ‘ignore thread’, they have that here, right?

Feel free to express an opinion, but not categorize me as selling things, that is not our purpose.

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Plus, free brunch :mrgreen:

#8

I wish I was going to SPAC, (maybe I am though, not sure yet) but I’ve been to 3 poster shows (Hampton, Red Rocks, and Miami) and I’ve enjoyed each of them. Seen some cool art and purchased a few items that I would have not bought had I not been at the show.

Maaaaaybe I’ll make this my fourth!

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I hear what you’re saying about the Poster Show, and I’m for anything that supports the Mockingbird Foundation. I send them a yearly check myself.

But I do have a question about the rest of the products that are being sold on the links on the phanart web page, which is really where you’re getting members of the OKP to go. And that is, are all of the products for sale sanctioned by the band? I’m a firm believer in protecting intellectual property, and if someone is making a hat with the word “Fluff or Fluffhead” on it, then the band should be receiving royalties. If they are not, I agree with Jay, I’d rather not have Phanart use the OKP to help sell those products, in spite of the Poster Show supporting the Mockingbird.

We, as a fan base, enjoy an awful lot of free music at the expense to the band. And even though they allow that to happen with some minor restriction, I personally believe the balance sheet is totally tipped in our favor. To offset that percieved unfairness to the band, I make as many Dry Goods purchases of shirts and recordings from them as I can afford, and in my mind, they still have given me much more than I have paid for. For anyone, ardent fans included, to making a penny more on artwork, apparel or anything else, without kicking a percentage back to the band or to their charities, is something I believe I need to resist.

If you can guarantee that all of the sellers on Phanart are giving the band what they deserve, I’ll be your spokesman on the OKP myself. If you can’t, then I’ll resist your continued promotional attempts here, whether I appear to be behaving like someone on PT or not.

#10

smoky, great to hear! they are awesome shows, and if you’ve been to 3, may as well make it 4.
also, free brunch!

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Fone, thats great that you donate to Mockingbird! We seek to increase the amount by making all the items on the blog couple in a donation to Mockingbird. We have raised nearly $2000, all by buying art, plus some auctions and other donations! So thank you and keep it up

As for your question on the products being sold, all of these items are NOT sanctioned by the band. This is not needed, as over the course of creating PhanArt, we retained a lawyer, met with Phish’s lawyers, went over what was and was not ok, and stuck within those guidelines for the book, as well as advised those who take part in the blog what they should and shouldnt use in their art to draw the ire of Phish. We even posted a few notes of this on the blog

phanart.net/blog/?p=983
phanart.net/blog/?p=748
phanart.net/blog/?p=326

While you think the band should be receiving royalties for a Fluffhead hat or shirt, I have to respectfully disagree. For one, the band does not seek to alienate their fans by being greedy over licensing issues. Second, the word ‘fluffhead’ is not trademarkable, not could it be copyrighted. It is a word and it is Fair Use (per the copyright act) to be used in this instance.

Now if you put the word Fluffhead inside the Phish Logo, you are asking for trouble. The logo is a copyrighted design and has protections. Words like Fluffhead, Simple, Jibboo or Maze do not.

So if the band makes money, then the poster show is ok to keep on this website? If Trey isnt making a buck a shirt, then its not ok? did this website become Phish Inc. property?

Yes, the balance is in our favor. The boys come out, play 2 and a half hours and then go on the road to the next place. We get a GREAT deal. should we be leveling the playing field? no. That would make Phish Dave Matthews Band. Thats not what we want to turn into.

If you want to buy goods from Dry Goods, that is fine. I choose to buy something from them every so often, but to expect fans to chip in more than we already do is an unfair statement.

You dont like fans making money on art or anything, how do you think the community is able to make it from show to show, to fund their tour? this is the equivalent of a bazaar or open marketplace that travels with the band. Avoid the logo, the word Phish and the likeness of the band members, and you’re fine. Everything else is fairgame, and even Phish admits that much.

Heck, they even have the legal precedent from this from a court case in the late 1990s. Its not harming anyone to make a shirt that says YEM in the IBM logo. Not the band, or anyone. In fact, Trey and the others have worn lot-art/phanart on stage during shows. I’m pretty sure they werent worried about kickbacks for the chance to be creative, sell a shirt, and make a few bucks that will go to gas, tickets, etc…

On that note, what if the shirt or art someone made was used SOLELY to pay to see Phish? Is that ok? they are using the money in this case to go directly into the show, and then sell some shirts or art because they want to see the band. Its a tough economy, so if you have a talent and can make some art, I say do it.

I can guarantee you that no one on the blog is sending a check to Phish, Phish Inc, JEMP, Red Light, Music Today, or anyone affiliated with the band. This is a fan based thing. We are within legal boundaries here. I’m sorry we dont see eye to eye, but promoting an art show where fans can check out some great art and raise some funds for Mockingbird is well worth it.

You can resist promotional attempts, but thats not what it is all about. Just ignore any topics like this.

And stop by and say hi in the lot, i do like to hear the other side of things like this. But i cant see why we should give the band a cut of what we make, when they dont have a problem with us selling art.

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^It’s nice to see that you’ve had the lawyers meet eye to eye. Does my soul good to know that on the perimeter of an experience that approaches the spiritual for me, the money lenders are parked outside the temple. I apologize for being so myopic about your endeavors and those of the artists and merchandisers who seek to sell their work on phanart, but Shakedown St does bother me, in spite of the efforts of some fans to support their tour expenses. But the sellers and merchandiers at concerts have always been a negative influence in my mind, even if they provide some services for some fans and support themselves in the process. I like to believe no one is becoming a corporate entity off hawking things at Phish concerts, but the introduction of commercialism into the community defeats one of motivations that I attend Phish concerts in the first place, ie, to get away from those realities, if only for a couple of hours.

Look what that same spirit of free market has done to the price and availability of even getting to a Phish show. Phish Inc has always tried to keep the price for their shows at a reasonably low level, especially so in the light of guy like Roger Waters who wants anywhere from 78 to 258 bucks to see his show this Fall in Philadelphia. I can almost understand the rationale since he’s probably determined to prevent the “open market” from making money off of his efforts through the online scalping business.

I’m sorry, but whether or not your artisan group is within its legal boundaries to produce products based upon the words, images and spirit of the songs of Phish, that attach a strong emotional bond to those icons, I’m insulted by the marketplaces intrusion into my experience. I accept it as part of the price of admission, but I resist it as something that diminishes the shows and the music for me.

Fortunately for your sake, there are people who enjoy having a wide range of products and services at concerts, and I endorse their right to accept what you offer, as I do your belief that you are doing something worthwhile for them while still making a buck for yourself. Hey, it’s the Amurikan way.

#13

RETRACT!!! :shifty:

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Shakedown is a way of life and has been for the last few thousand years. People have always gathered near saint shrines, mosques, temples, churches, and sold things that could be marketed and sold by the location they are near. But they dont because thats bad for business, simple as that. If the catholic church put up an official vending location at every single church, monastery, and saint shrine in Europe alone, AND kept people from selling their own creations, it would be bad for business and turn people off

can you tell i researched that one? wrote a big essay on it for the book :smiley:

“But the sellers and merchandiers at concerts have always been a negative influence in my mind”
how is this negative? do we only have to support the band? why not the fans supporting each other? Phish makes millions of dollars off of ticket sales, do they need our merch and food and beer money too?

“the introduction of commercialism into the community defeats one of motivations that I attend Phish concerts in the first place, ie, to get away from those realities, if only for a couple of hours.”

you can take the person out of the commercialism, but you cant take the commercialism out of the community. its an unbreakable cycle, simple as that.

Roger Waters vs. Phish is a good point, but you forget that Waters doesnt tour like Phish does, he’s old, and the fanbase is scattered. Phish’s fanbase is intact and growing. keeping tickets at $50 (before fees) is a marketing decision.

If you dont like the marketplace’s ‘intrusion into (your) experience’ than simply park in the VIP lot, walk right into the show, and ignore all of us who are trying to make it from show to show. you dont have to like it, but being respectful of those who choose to do this is polite as well.

If you saw it from the bigger picture, you would see it as something that adds to the show, rather than diminishes it.

you make some valid points, but i have to ask - how long have you been on tour to have this cynical a view of the lot scene? i dont ask rudely, just as a point of fact

#15

retract what?

#16

If you and the Phish inc. lawyers have worked out what is and is not allowed, I have no ground to say anything negative…

Enjoy summer tour and I will be stopping by to check out as much as I can and like every year we will be donating to the Mockingbird as well! Great cause and more people whould make sure they drop a few bucks off to that table during the summer!

Thanks for giving us the info, I see nothing wrong with what you posted but I am normally drilled for stuff anyhow, so do not take anything I say for much more than words on the screen! :wave:

:thumbup:

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thanks phishinsky, much appreciated. to others, not exactly sure how i came off as pompous, but to each his own. just trying to raise money for mockingbird and making some cool art in the process, as well as exposing cool art in the process!

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I think the original point was that most of your posts are advertising, whether it’s for a good cause or not. Take the book trading thread. Some guys are trying to set up a book trading circle, and rather than join the discussion, you plug a product. I think that you should limit your Phanart posts to the Oh Kee Bay section of the board if that’s your main purpose here. If someone wants to buy something, they’ll find your endless stream of commercials there.

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Are there pics of the art?. or am I just missing them…