42° and PhanArt Present: The Art of the Fans of Phish

Phish General
#12

^It’s nice to see that you’ve had the lawyers meet eye to eye. Does my soul good to know that on the perimeter of an experience that approaches the spiritual for me, the money lenders are parked outside the temple. I apologize for being so myopic about your endeavors and those of the artists and merchandisers who seek to sell their work on phanart, but Shakedown St does bother me, in spite of the efforts of some fans to support their tour expenses. But the sellers and merchandiers at concerts have always been a negative influence in my mind, even if they provide some services for some fans and support themselves in the process. I like to believe no one is becoming a corporate entity off hawking things at Phish concerts, but the introduction of commercialism into the community defeats one of motivations that I attend Phish concerts in the first place, ie, to get away from those realities, if only for a couple of hours.

Look what that same spirit of free market has done to the price and availability of even getting to a Phish show. Phish Inc has always tried to keep the price for their shows at a reasonably low level, especially so in the light of guy like Roger Waters who wants anywhere from 78 to 258 bucks to see his show this Fall in Philadelphia. I can almost understand the rationale since he’s probably determined to prevent the “open market” from making money off of his efforts through the online scalping business.

I’m sorry, but whether or not your artisan group is within its legal boundaries to produce products based upon the words, images and spirit of the songs of Phish, that attach a strong emotional bond to those icons, I’m insulted by the marketplaces intrusion into my experience. I accept it as part of the price of admission, but I resist it as something that diminishes the shows and the music for me.

Fortunately for your sake, there are people who enjoy having a wide range of products and services at concerts, and I endorse their right to accept what you offer, as I do your belief that you are doing something worthwhile for them while still making a buck for yourself. Hey, it’s the Amurikan way.

#13

RETRACT!!! :shifty:

#14

Shakedown is a way of life and has been for the last few thousand years. People have always gathered near saint shrines, mosques, temples, churches, and sold things that could be marketed and sold by the location they are near. But they dont because thats bad for business, simple as that. If the catholic church put up an official vending location at every single church, monastery, and saint shrine in Europe alone, AND kept people from selling their own creations, it would be bad for business and turn people off

can you tell i researched that one? wrote a big essay on it for the book :smiley:

“But the sellers and merchandiers at concerts have always been a negative influence in my mind”
how is this negative? do we only have to support the band? why not the fans supporting each other? Phish makes millions of dollars off of ticket sales, do they need our merch and food and beer money too?

“the introduction of commercialism into the community defeats one of motivations that I attend Phish concerts in the first place, ie, to get away from those realities, if only for a couple of hours.”

you can take the person out of the commercialism, but you cant take the commercialism out of the community. its an unbreakable cycle, simple as that.

Roger Waters vs. Phish is a good point, but you forget that Waters doesnt tour like Phish does, he’s old, and the fanbase is scattered. Phish’s fanbase is intact and growing. keeping tickets at $50 (before fees) is a marketing decision.

If you dont like the marketplace’s ‘intrusion into (your) experience’ than simply park in the VIP lot, walk right into the show, and ignore all of us who are trying to make it from show to show. you dont have to like it, but being respectful of those who choose to do this is polite as well.

If you saw it from the bigger picture, you would see it as something that adds to the show, rather than diminishes it.

you make some valid points, but i have to ask - how long have you been on tour to have this cynical a view of the lot scene? i dont ask rudely, just as a point of fact

#15

retract what?

#16

If you and the Phish inc. lawyers have worked out what is and is not allowed, I have no ground to say anything negative…

Enjoy summer tour and I will be stopping by to check out as much as I can and like every year we will be donating to the Mockingbird as well! Great cause and more people whould make sure they drop a few bucks off to that table during the summer!

Thanks for giving us the info, I see nothing wrong with what you posted but I am normally drilled for stuff anyhow, so do not take anything I say for much more than words on the screen! :wave:

:thumbup:

#17

thanks phishinsky, much appreciated. to others, not exactly sure how i came off as pompous, but to each his own. just trying to raise money for mockingbird and making some cool art in the process, as well as exposing cool art in the process!

#18

#19

I think the original point was that most of your posts are advertising, whether it’s for a good cause or not. Take the book trading thread. Some guys are trying to set up a book trading circle, and rather than join the discussion, you plug a product. I think that you should limit your Phanart posts to the Oh Kee Bay section of the board if that’s your main purpose here. If someone wants to buy something, they’ll find your endless stream of commercials there.

#20

Are there pics of the art?. or am I just missing them…

#21

i think you missing the point here. its a poster show, with art for sale to benefit the Mockingbird Foundation. There is art on display and for sale. its a unique experience, and FOR FREE. no charge, no money expected. its inviting the community to attend

The Phish community is welcoming to an art show and expressions of their love for the band. asking that a posting like this be relegated to another forum is overstepping. Its letting fans know about an event, not asking for money or anything else

goldphish, check out the artists via their websites or expressobeans. if you want links, i can provide those.

as for the book trading circle, its a book thread, about Phish. how does the book not fit in there? seems common sense. if they want to trade it, by all means, but its worth throwing out there

#22

I’m not missing the point. 90% of your posts are advertisements, plain and simple. You’re not sharing you’re thoughts on Phish, you’re selling goods. Sell your goods in the section designated for selling goods.

#23

90%? really?

you are missing the point, its for charity and its part of the Phish community. sorry you arent digging it.

exactly WHAT am i selling in this thread? i see no paypal links, $$ amounts or requests to buy anything. its a stretch to say im selling stuff

anything else goes in the ‘got something to sell’ page, and that i am well aware of.

i share my thoughts on Phish from time to time, but raising money for Mockingbird is the stated goal and mission of the website and i focus on that.

want my thoughts on Phish? happy to share them with ya, as always

#24

This thread is the ten percent not selling something. Everything just happened to boil up here.

#25

::hijacks thread::

do you think light is going to be toned down a little bit more this summer in favor of bigger stealing time’s and/or KDF’s? i do, what do ya think? :wave:

#26

yeah post some links or a few of your favorite pictures… in 04’ somebody gave me a print of… well it was trey and some fish and it was split like a mirror… it was really cool. The next show I gave it to someone else so they could have something cool like that given to them. it was nifty difty! :nerd:

I can understand peoples deriding spirit about the commercialism but I don’t mind. Artists have to make a living too and you have the charity angle so thats a feel good thing. I do understand that the people who have the talent to make art deserve something for their efforts. but… you know… artists can sometimes be annoying :stuck_out_tongue:… like because you can paint the most beautiful pen15 ever that makes you special or something you arty farty lol ikidikid

#27

two words: Pen Island

#28

Don’t worry, he’s going :wave:

#29

i think they’ll find some a nice place in sets, but not overplayed. new songs coming = regular rotation’d

#30

Who Phart’d?

#31

lolz