All's Fair in Love and War

so i was at my shrink today (yes, a psychologist, and i’m not embarrassed by it… everyone should have one really) and we were just chatting away about how my relationships with girls have been for the past couple of years, which got on the subject of my recent breakup and how unfair & estranged it seemed from the other breakups i’ve been through, that have ended in some good friendships, especially since this whore dumped me for a fathead and calls me worthless for being jealous, cmon… you gotta be fuckin serious. so anyways me and the doc are talking about unfair endings to relations, to which he brought about the quote “All’s fair in love and war” and i havent gotten out of my head since…

kay so sorry for ranting, but i thought that since there is constant chatter about relationships good or bad in the thoughts thread, we should make a thread entitled to any comments, advice, rants, sob stories, anger at the bf/gf and whatever you would like to throw down to keep this thang alive…

(oh and that shit up there was personal, but you guys are like an internet nuclear family of sorts :-*)

a highly-paid psychologist shouldn’t be spewing tired cliches like that…Is it really all fair? It might be but you should be getting more out of it than that crap.

but I gotta be honest, I’ve never heard of a 17-year-old with serious enough relationship problems to warrant a shrink. But whatever I guess. Maybe I’d be better off with one too…I suppose I’ve been pretty fucked in the head lately with women issues too. But that is normal.

“LOOOOVE STINKS YEAH YEAH”

i dont go to the man for clich

double post.

i’m sorry for attempting to make a thread that people can partake in when they feel the need or want to get something off their chest…

^^Mr. Little seems to have the idea ;D

sorry didn’t mean to diminish anything the guy has done man. I just meant the cliche was crap and kind of empty imo, thats all.

hey it was just a topic for a love thread to say whatever you want…

maybe phg needs to get something out?

or the biddy?

i’ve been through the ringer a few times. i always fell kinda hard for the ladies i dated, even back in jr. high. it took 3 major longterm relationships and 3 major brutal breakups to learn not to base my sense of worth in a girlfriend. i always put my whole life on the backburner for someone else. in short, i was a doormat for a while and got treated like one and kept coming back for more. when i look back now, i actually can’t believe that i was that person.
the stories that i have are outstanding and unbelievable. i’ll save them for later though.

Alls Fair in Love and War?

I have to defend Hank a little on this one. In the context and to the extent that you let us in on the discussions that you were having with your psychologist, you did make it sound like some flippant conclusion to what should be serious conversations about things that are troubling you.

Since Hank and the rest of us are really concerned about you, we kind of thought, from your post, at least, that this guy was short changing you, and didn’t think that was right. You have to understand that we only know what your doc is like from what you tell us, and that first post sounded kind of shady. especially since, out of most people here, you come across as a pretty cool person, seemingly at least, not in need of “professional” help. Not in the same way that someone like, say, neck, needs help.*

That being said, I laud you on your honesty with us. I don’t know that I would have had the guts to make this public, but then again, I’ve always battled my demons in a more private and spiritual way. And in the sense of being able to get your balance back, to extract yourself from the mental and emotional torment that life can hand you, I think the “alls fair in love and war” statement is absolutely a valid statement. A fight without concern for others is absolutely necessary at times for any of us to return to a personal equinimity, for without being centered and secure from within, can we understand ourselves and the world around us effectively, meaningfully.

I don’t know anything about what you’ve been experiencing in your relationships, so this is not aimed at you, slothy. But when it comes down to someone who you are convinced may be the love of your life, the feelings of family and friends genuinely have to lose importance. This is especially true when the person you are in love with shares that love in kind, in intensity, and with commitment.

"Alls fair in love and war’ is meant to drive home the point that love is like life itself, and that you have to fight for it without measure. If two people are totally and undeniably in love with one another, then you surely give up all aspects of your life to be with that person. And this can be a pretty intense statement when you consider that you might have to forsake your family, friends, jobs and livelihoods, hopes, dreams, rock bands, musical aspirations, moral turpidtudes, ethical precepts, religious beliefs, everything and anything that you could define as something “vital” to who you are.

Alls fair in love and war means everything and anything is compromised in the preservation of love, or your life, in the case of war. Walking away alive is all that matters, and in the most extreme cases, this is a pretty damn difficult concept to accept. Most of us will compromise this away, and would rather die than live, at least philosophically. The truth is, the individual human instinct for self preservation is unbelievably difficult to deny. As much as we believe ourselves to be above the baseness of our nature, when push comes to shove, we opt to survive at the expense of one another, and this is nothing to be ashamed of when it happens.

About relationships in general, shit, at your age, sloth, you’re supposed to be moving in and out of them. Most teenagers do. There are some “couples” that work for longer periods, but that’s not necessarily a measure of the norm. Teenage life is chaos, and from what I’ve seen in my lifetime, that’s the norm. There’s nothing wrong with it in most cases, and anything that you need to do to get through it, is basically OK as long as you don’t seriously hurt people in the process (and by seriously, I mean kill or injure). If hanging out with a doc, helps you to center, that’s absolutely cool. Although I am curious what he says about your being sonted, but you don’t have to answer that here. Maybe I’ll pm you about this.

Anyway, I hope this is the kind of discourse you were looking for when you started this post.

  • Thom, if I didn’t have an extaordinary amount of respect for you, I wouldn’t have been able to implement this joke on any effective level.

“make love not war.”

“As difficult as high school can be for kids, eventually it’s over.”

-Gil Grissom

You don’t need a psychologist.

Just follow me.

Women will drive you crazy man, but so will a lot of things.

There are good one’s out there.
Just keep moving forward and you’ll be alright.

In the mean time, have lots of sex before you get into another relationship. :slight_smile:

^super awesome pic!

more cliches?

how about “there are plenty of fish in the sea”

the mysteries of love

i haven’t figured it out, doubt your shrink has either

you have to find it for yourself, never put much stock into something somebody you are paying is telling you, what’s his motivation? To get paid, not to help you out. The longer he doesn’t help you, the longer he gets paid. Yeah im a cynic, but chances are he is following that approach.

Keep plugging along, you’ll be cool. Like you said in another thread, go after some of the girls in the grade below you, you can probably show/teach them some stuff. Try to get that ex out of you dome, easier said then done, I know… I’ve had an ex stuck in my head since I graduated college and parted ways, thought the bond was stronger than it was I suppose, it sucks… but you move on, you keep L.I.V.I.N as Matthew McCaugnehey says in Dazed and Confused, great H.S. flick by the way, lot of good stuff in there.

best of luck

my mom’s a psychologist. it was kind of like growing up with a female Frasier. during my teenage years, every time i looked at something crosseyed it was time to go to the shrink and find out why i was so angry. god bless 'er though. she means well.

i think growing up in that environment really worked out well for me though. i majored in psychology for a couple years in college, but found the whole Freudian paradigm cold and lacking. Jung was were it was at for me. then the first mushroom experience happened and blew my mind wide open. i dropped the western view pretty quickly and got involved in eastern philosophy and meditation, in a search for the key to it all. as if there is one! that’s a big carrot on a big stick.

looooooooooong story short, it’s all good. though there’s always room for improvement.