Anti-MP3 Article

Found this one on Phish.net

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/05/business/ptend06.php

The Web is awash in anti-MP3 audiophiles.

PARIS: First, we saw a recoil against social networks, then a backlash against blogs. Now, just when digital music has reached enough of a mass audience to make even my tech-challenged sister take the plunge, the Web is awash in anti-MP3 audiophiles.

For those who wouldn’t know an MP3 from an Ogg Vorbis, let’s review.

MP3 is a digital audio format created in Germany that gained global popularity because it could shrink a CD song into a manageable, e-mailable, Internet-friendly size at a time when slow-moving dial-up Web connections dominated.

Compressing a song tosses out bits and pieces of the music file that we don’t generally hear, or at least don’t miss.

There are lots of other audio formats today, but MP3 is the most popular, in part because it carries no copying restrictions. So all digital music hardware and software can handle MP3s.

But wouldn’t you know it, as soon as something becomes popular, along come the detractors. Music fanatics believe that MP3s have poor audio quality because so much data is eliminated to compress them. And now broadband - or high-speed - Internet connections are commonplace.

That combination has led to a grass-roots following for “lossless” digital audio formats, or those that do some size-shrinking without losing sound quality. (The “true” fanatics, naturally, are against digital music of any kind, preferring the warmth of analog recordings. But that’s another story.)

So “lossless” is the newest latest fad in digital music among a moral minority. Apple and Microsoft have their own proprietary lossless formats (Apple Lossless and WMA Lossless), and the free-software proponents have FLAC, which stands for Free Lossless Audio Codec, an open-source version (available at flac.sourceforge.net/). Another free one is called SHN (short for Shorten).

(Of the lossless varieties, the newest generations of iPods can play only Apple’s.)

One company, called MusicGiants, caters to audiophiles with an online music store selling only lossless recordings (motto: “Upgrade your downloads”) from the major studios, EMI, Sony BMG, Universal and Warner, for $1.29 each (U.S. residents only for now). Many sites that offer live concert recordings, like Live Phish and Live Downloads, do so losslessly.

Of course, as with any kind of digital music, pirated lossless files are more available than the legitimate ones. Lossless Legs (at www.shnflac.net) is a site that claims to share “high-quality, trade-friendly music” from what the proprietors say is an “attempt to keep a legal database.”

And Exact Audio Copy, free from a German site, is one example of software that can turn your CDs into FLAC files.

There are also Dolby and DTS lossless audio formats for the sound and soundtracks on the next-generation DVD formats, HD DVD and Blu-ray.

Even at the Fraunhofer Institute, the engineers behind the original MP3 have a lossless version. But it is unlikely to make tracks the way their first inspiration did because digital music has become so commercial, rather than a researcher’s pet project.

Lossless compression algorithms “do not diminish the original audio quality in the slightest, because the original audio material can be exactly reconstructed,” a Fraunhofer research paper explains. “This is also of great interest with the digitization, restoration and storage of old recordings.”

Want to know more? Two sites that offer expert advice and resources are Hydrogen Audio and the Lossless Audio Blog.

Don’t shed a tear for the MP3, however. Just like social networking and blogging, the MP3 isn’t going anywhere soon just because lossless is getting some attention. Its universality - and, especially, its playability on iPods - will keep it in vogue for some time.

In that weird creative-literal way the Internet has of naming things, the opposite of lossless is, of course, “lossy” - as in, MP3s are lossy.

And Ogg Vorbis? That’s just another audio niche format with devoted supporters, but just so you know: It’s lossy, not lossless.

I wrote that.
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dude…all you have is mp3’s.

whatevs.

I still think that the “audio loss” from an MP3 to a regular CD is so miniscule that it’s not even worth worrying about. Never before has so much been written about so little.

Stevo

so you cant tell the difference between an mp3 disc and a lossless one?

Huh?
I couldn’t hear your through all the SSSSwwwWwWii11!1sSsSssssShhhhHHHHhh…
a

Basically, it’s very minor. So there’s a small swoosh noise in the background?? WHO CARES?? Unless you’re listening to the quietest song ever, there’s no way you’d notice once the music cuts in anyway. Of course…this is coming from someone who never paid for an mp3 in his life…considering I got them all free from Kazaa, I guess I don’t care as much…had I actually paid for them, I might be more annoyed. Either way, it’s just not a big deal…it’s like those people who MUST have 1080i instead of just 780 on their TV…the difference is so miniscule, it’s not worth the extra cash.

Stevo

Back when I first started collecting shows I couldn’t tell the difference, but that’s probably because I only had mp3s. As a result, I probably do have some shows that are mp3s on my spindles. It kind of sucks, but knowing I at least have a recording of a show is good enough, plus I’ve upgraded a lot of sources. I can definitely tell the difference.

Plus, its not really about the cash, Stevo. Shows are free to download on etree and lossless legs.

Thanks for the laugh!!!
:smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

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i kernt terl ner derfernce

wah wah wah lossless this lossless that. who gives a fuck, OMG I have to hear that “Shine” encore in lossless because in MP3 the light doesn’t shine on enough!!! its so hetty to hate on mp3.

Not as heady as it is to have zero clue what you’re talking about.
a

Or to whine and bitch about something I’m guessing you don’t care about.

Thats the “dude” for ya.

no augustus, it doesn’t fucking matter.

and before you come back with some smug remark, just go listen to that sweet AUD Jennifer Dances, because I know you have every single one.

There is always such hostility over this topic…

I love it.

haha I was just going to post that YOU KNEW this was going to happen when you started this thread, Will.

good stuff.

Bottom line, if it matters to you, then worry about it.

hey, fuck everybody on this board. ogg vorbits is the superior sound file and i dare someone to challenge me. if you do, ill salp with you cock. you fuckers. fuck you. fucking smart ass fuckers.

Maybe this nifty diagram can shed some light on the topic:

::mind blown::