thats some funny shit goldphish.
edit: oh my god… i owe you one man… i just spend the past half hour dying of laughter reading some of the hate mail this guy has received. hooo…
wow
this thread got really heavy really quickly…in a good way mind you
I’m glad to see that a woman chimed in there and questioned whether everything can be explained by reason. I think she makes a good point. Us fellas can get caught up in the scientific method and logical analysis, but the ladies seem to have the inside track with the irrational, gut-instinct, intuition kinda knowledge.
And also, zoot, just because this ID thing may have been some one’s agenda, or denounced by whomever, does not address the content of the theory…Personally I have no idea if humans were ‘created’ or simply evolved from lower life forms, or a combination of the two. I mean, the popular notion is the big bang and millenia of evolution and all that, but that theory is constantly being revised or ammended (mostly down to new empirical evidence or new scientific theories, etc.). The TRUTH is that none of us will ever totally know the answers. Sure we can utilize science and ponder philosophical questions to help gain an understanding about the world we live in, but when it comes to creation and creationism…the theory assumes a higher power that we are incapable of comprehending…I guess what I’m saying is that it comes down to FAITH!
You’ve gotta make a blind leap of faith at some point or another if you’re going to believe that stuff. You may have faith in an entirely different theory…maybe you absolutely believe that there is NO higher power…I’d call that a leap of faith as well…or maybe you refuse to have faith in anything and strictly believe in only purely logical and reasonable valid arguments and theories…or maybe your faith is directed elsewhere…
^ kierkegaard. thats what kierkegaard pretty much says.
"Faith is a matter of the individual repeatedly renewing his passionate subjective relationship to an object which can never be known? Whatever, bitch! Precursor to Nietzsche my ass, S
cool man.
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…Whatever, bitch! Precursor to Nietzsche my ass, S
There’s a guy named Greg Easterbrook who writes for nfl.com who had a GREAT piece on this. It kind of stems from my argument I made earlier in the thread but he states it a LOT better.
Yes, he’s a football writer but he’s also a professor and such so he often covers other subjects in his NFL columns. Here’s the link to the whole article which is mostly about the Super Bowl and other subjects but I’ll copy/paste the part on Intelligent Design below. It’s interesting stuff and he does it without bashing any of the two beliefs.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9213999
"Higher Power Is Guiding "Intelligent Design"Politics:
Yours truly thinks the “intelligent design” idea is being given the short shrift by the mainstream media. Yes, some intelligent design advocates want to use I.D. as a Trojan horse to put religious doctrine into public schools – forbidden by the First Amendment, and wisely so in the opinion of this churchgoer. And some intelligent design advocates believe young Earth creationism, a nutty idea for which there isn’t one iota of scientific evidence. But as they mock the notion of intelligent design, the mainstream media are systematically avoiding a substantial question mark in evolutionary theory: it does not explain the origin of life. That organisms evolve in response to changes in their environment is well-established – anyone who doubts this doesn’t know what he or she is talking about. But why are there living things in the first place? Darwin said he had no idea, and to this day science has little beyond wild guesses about the origin of life. Maybe life had a natural origin that one day will be discovered. Until such time, higher powers or the divine cannot be ruled out. Exactly because I think intelligent design is a more important concept than the mainstream media will admit, I really wish right-wing screwballs would stop advocating I.D. – they’re giving the idea a bad name! First, it’s common to hear them say evolution can be disregarded because it’s “just a theory.”
This is ill-informed. In everyday usage, “theory” can mean a conjectural or unlikely claim. (“See, I have this theory why Maria Sharapova would go out with me.”) In science, a theory is an idea that has well-accepted supporting principles, has been tested successfully and that no one has falsified; in science the word theory conveys high standing. For instance, first relativity was an analytical idea, then a hypothesis, then after many years of testing was acknowledged as a theory. When in 1996 Pope John Paul II called Darwinianism “more than a hypothesis,” he was choosing words precisely. Many on today’s anti-science right appear ignorant of such basic precepts as the definition of the word theory.
The screwball fringe keeps proposing I.D.-related legislation that shows it doesn’t even understand the limits of evolutionary theory. Two years ago some science illiterates in Cobb County, Ga., got the local Board of Education to mandate stickers on biology textbooks reading, “Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things.” Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of living things. The core quandary of Darwinian logic is that we can imagine how living things evolve but cannot imagine how they came into existence in the first place. Now a know-nothing Utah state representative has proposed this bill that "requires the State Board of Education to establish curriculum requirements and policies that stress that not all scientists agree on which theory regarding the origins of life
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cool man.
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…Whatever, bitch! Precursor to Nietzsche my ass, S
When I was on mushrooms this summer, I came up with a hilarious theory as to how the world began, but it’s too embarassing to share.
the national academy of science has taken on the theory/fact problem…
The theory of evolution explains how life on Earth has changed. In scientific terms, "theory" does not mean "guess" or "hunch" as it does in everyday usage. Scientific theories are explanations of natural phenomena built up logically from testable observations and hypotheses. Biological evolution is the best scientific explanation we have for the enormous range of observations about the living world.Scientists most often use the word "fact" to describe an observation. But scientists can also use fact to mean something that has been tested or observed so many times that there is no longer a compelling reason to keep testing or looking for examples. The occurrence of evolution in this sense is a fact. Scientists no longer question whether descent with modification occurred because the evidence supporting the idea is so strong. </blockquote>that said, intelligent design does not even qualify as a scientific theory. its about as relevant to the persuit of the origins of life as anything else a person could think up… be it a christian god, a flying spagetti monster, or uncle frank’s magic underpants. also, if you want to look into mcnulty’s post above you can check out the Miller Experiment which showed that organic molecules will spontaneously sysnthesize given the proper mix of inorganic molecules (hydrogen, methane, ammonia, water).
[color=red]btw, i’m not trying to drive anyone off with my posts… just trying to challenge ideas. i think this is a great thread.
lets hear it greg!!! i will bother you until you share…
FSM ROOOOLZ.
sounds very very interesting, please elaborate greg!!
yeah greg, stoner theories rock.
HIJACKED
I’m now deeming this the “Greg share that theory thread”
lets keep this going until he makes an ass of himself.
this is the “greg share those theories” thread.
son of bitch! i just got jacked! i’m buying a gun so this doesn’t happen again.
there’s a five day e-waiting period.
…fine. This is gunna be a long story, so keep with me.
This summer was the first and only time I’ve done mushrooms. Whenever you experience a drug you’ve never taken before, you tend to sit there for awhile going “am I really feeling it yet?” The first time I got stoned, my friend Dave used to still live with his parents out in the country. So we snuck out when everyone was in bed out to near the woods and smoked out of a pipe. I wasn’t sure if I was “doing it” right until we had been staring at the trees in the dark for probably 10 minutes straight without saying a word. I kept picturing the tree creatures from LOTR. Anywho, mushrooms was more extreme for me. We ate some and waited 20 minutes and then basically ate the rest of the bag. So finally a half hour after eating some, I started to feel something. Just kind of stoned at first, but over time it became much more psychological. I started to think all kinds of weird thoughts and philosophies–my ex, who I ate them with, is a philosophy major so I was just starting to get into philosophy. After about an hour of listening to music I got up to piss, and as soon as I stood up I just said “woah!” in the most hilarious voice because I was overcome with feelings of connection with the universe and the Earth. After I came back from pissing I was laughing like an idiot with a new philosophy for my ex. “What if…” I began, trying not to sound like some idiot tripping on shrooms, “…what if the universe began when God got up to take a piss and he suddenly realized ‘woah! The fact that I just had a thought about getting up to piss means I exist and the universe was created in that instant!’” I remember at the time thinking it was a brilliant theory–the universe comes into being when god has his/her/its first thought, specifically about having to go piss–but of course once I wasn’t tripping anymore it was just dumb.
greg that is brilliant!
that is perhaps the funniest philosophy that i have ever heard! and it does make some sense. we exist when we are conscious. but i wonder if God created us after pissing, or he created us from his piss???
It’s a cross between Descartes philosophy and Sartre’s mescaline trip of 1935. This is brilliant. I’m not kidding. Do more 'shrooms and give us another report.