Dead shows are predictable

sure, they slowly changed from year to year, era to era. However, to a certain extent, one can know exactly what to expect given the year of the show. This is especially true as the band progressed into the 80s and 90s.

They rarely if ever “stretched” songs out the way Phish did. An example is “unfinished” songs that segued into other songs. I see this much more with Phish in 1993 on way more than any dead era I’ve heard. You always know whats going to happen for the next 5 to 15 minutes upon hearing the first notes of the song.

With set 2, you always know that “Playin” or “Dark Star” or “Stephen” was going to fade into some spacey shit, then the inevitable drums, then maybe some more space, then 2 or 3 standard songs to close the show.

I like dead first sets more than second sets because they highlight their tight playing and usually give more blues than second sets, but they are just as predictable.

I don’t know if I’d say this about the shows from the 60s I’ve heard, though. Those are pretty much all intriguing.

Just trying to start some convo. I do like the dead, and I’m sure the dead did do some of the stuff I’m saying they didn’t, but not enough to keep my interest.

I know at the heart of this rant is a comparison between GD and Phish, but it doesn’t really have to be. I just think their shows are predictable.

I was just thinking that the shows are too predictable to draw people to follow the band for an entire tour–for music sake only. Surely most of the tour people were doing it partially to get by and make a living.

Predictable indeed. Predictable in that they’re all bad ass.

nah dude, the Dead’s music was magical and inspiring… not to mention Jerry could sing and play your own heart strings. I hate to say this but you had to see them live to feel it… same as it takes a live phish show to truly knock your socks off. Deadheads LOVED the Dead, LOVED the music… even with the slide at the end when I was seeing them. I still felt the magic.

Sure there is some truth to what your saying but I personally loved that “spacey shit” and especially the drums.

Damn str8, tru dat… I think it was summer tour 93’ over a string of shows during various drums/space Billy would pull out this train horn and blow it… now sure that was predictable, teasing Casey Jones, but they kept teasing the crowd with it till they busted it out at RFK which I happened to catch. It was freaking fun! They were always teasing and playing with the crowd.

that doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the coolest things to ever happen to planet earth though.

maybe their setlists were more predictable than Phish but the Dead had better songs.

there. i said it.

Gasp!

I used to feel the same as you phg, then I listened to more Dead shows. I’m not saying you don’t listen to enough, but that worked for me.

There’s a hint of truth to his original statement, but overall it’s sort of generalizing the GD’s 30 years together. I mean, you tour for 30 years, of course fans can get a sense of what to expect!

I agree that there are parts of Dead shows that are predictable, like after '80 you knew you were getting a Drums/Space and that certain songs were first set vs second set songs, etc. The thing that’s great about the Dead though is that every show had some unpredictable element to it. You never knew what songs they were going to pull out from night to night, or what could happen when they would just start going.

Quit hatin on the Dead hank.

Yeah, this is like Greg hatin’ on Phish from a concert experience type of view.

Yeah, I said it.

^Daaamnnnnn

Also the way the Dead would tease and play with the crowd, esp Jerry, was very subtle… he was masterful at it and half the time I didn’t know if it was the band or me. Phish, of course, tried to mimic this subtle teasing but, imo, never quite touched it as delicately as the Dead. Phish was a little more course but they certainly had it down. This was the kind of stuff you had to experience live usually but not exclusively. Just most of my experience with subtle teasing and play was in a live setting. Every now and then I’d hear it thru a recording.

That, my friend, was unpredictable and spontaneous and ever refreshing :slight_smile:

That’s why you had to do a run of shows. You knew by the end of your 8th show you were pretty much assured a China/ Rider, Scarlet/Fire, Help/slip/ Franklins. A Samson, A Crazy fingers and sometimes 2 of those in that run! Sets were easy to predict if you said “OK i got the China/Rider last night and it’s been a week since a Scarlet was played so i’ll probably get the Scarlet tonight”. Even so you still might just get a Aiko which you forgot about. Or possibly a Victim. So there was still SOME mystery!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgTpELkfRaA

bust out!

(actually the 2nd time in 13 years but the crowd reaction is still amazing)

The Mother of all bust-outs:

I tried finding a YouTube video, because I have this show on DVD. But couldn’t find it. The reaction to Dark Star is too much.

i have a show from 1992 in Oakland that was released as a Dick’s Picks but i got an AUD so you can hear all the crowd’s reactions which are the best parts of the discs when they…

start the second set with Shakedown

bust out Dark Star after Space

and bust out Casey Jones as the encore

especially when they bust out Casey Jones as the encore

One more thing. When you’re tripping balls, nothing is predictable.

::yawns::

the yawn was a joke

I get what you mean glen, and I didn’t mean to come off like I was moaning. I agree they have great songs. I just was thinking that their shows are a little cookie-cutter–obviously not nearly as much as most live acts–but I always thought about “there’s nothing like a grateful dead concert,” and from the shows I have listened to, I’ve been a little underwhelmed. But I know I don’t have the perspective of actually seeing them live, and that sucks. And I haven’t heard nearly as many shows as I probably should.

I always manage to compare everything to Phish. I can’t help it.