Donovan McNabb TRADED To Redskins

Non-Phish General
#11

I agree that Kolb is not a tested entity in the NFL. I mean he had two good games (first rookie to throw for over 250 yds in first two starts), but that si just two games and an entire season is another thing.

However, one thing that people can not shit on Big Red for is his ability to evaluate talent. He really hasn’t had any, or many, busts as far as draft picks.

Kolb was their 1st pick 4 years ago. he has had the time to watch and learn. And I promise you, if the Eagles Brass didn’t think he could win in this league, he’d be gone, and McNabb would have gotten an extension.

But, you are right…he may not be the answer. but, i am ok with finding out this year. And will follow that statement up with, I hope they are able to wait til mid-season to extend his contact just to make sure he at least shows glimers of what they hope he will be.

#12

^I can probably name about a dozen of shitty andy reid top picks off of the top of my head; but i digress…

I figured McNabb was gonna get traded, but to a division opponent? That’s 2 more wins that you’re gonna have to fight that much harder for. I think the main problems with the skins the last few seasons has been lack of good, steady coaching and qb play. Now they’ve got both sured up. Watch them make it to the Superbowl in less than 3 years while the Eagles will still be letting their fans down. As an Eags fan, I know that it doesn’t matter who is at qb because andy reid will never run the damn ball enough. That lack of balance, and gaping needs on the defense that need to be addressed via the draft, will shoot them in the ass year after year. Especially now that the division just got that much better with Shanahan and d-mac in Washington.

Fuck-a you Eagle. Fuck-a you Reid. :imp: Let’s go Phillies!!!

#13

McNabb told the Eagles he would retire before being traded to the Raiders. He has his money, if he is going to play ball it’s going to be on his terms. I get trading him, but why trade him to a team you face 2x a year.?

I personally couldn’t believe the stupidity of this trade. The Eagles are expecting Kolb to be the next Aaron Rodgers, but I just don’t see it. Rodgers was much more acclaimed at the time of the Favre debacle than Kolb is now. Rodgers could’ve been the No. 1 overall pick but fell to late first round. Kolb is a 2nd round guy, and the Eagles are handing the team to him over Donovan?

Also, from what I hear, Andy Reid was one of the few people in the Eagle’s organization pulling for Donovan to stay but the Eagle’s front office wanted McNabb gone.

#14

fuck Favre. he’s a complete choke artist.

T-JaCK for prez…

:problem:

#15

:silent: :silent: :wtf:

#16

::files under things to throw back in Hank’s face once Farve comes through for him::

#17

^ :clap:

#18

Ug, we had a whole discussion on this in the NFL thread. To sum up, I say it wasn’t OK. Thus I say that now it IS okay since he’s on another team.

You had BETTER hope he’s good. We’ve still only seen bits and pieces of Kolb and he’s never had it where defenses spend 100% of their time gameplanning for him. I haven’t been blown away by what I’ve seen from him so far. I gotta feeling that this will be one of those “don’t know what you’ve got til it’s gone.” I mean, seriously, what is that Donovan DIDN’T do for the Eagles? He did absolutely everything for that team except win the Super Bowl (and a lot of guys haven’t won the Super Bowl)…what else was he supposed to do?

Not to mention, I’m really curious to see how Donovan does on a team that won’t require him to throw 50 times per game. Shanahan’s going to make sure he has a run-game to support Donovan, something Andy Reid never cared about giving him. It’s no secret that when the defense KNOWS you’re going to pass, it becomes harder on the QB. Reid was so obsessed with passing that McNabb rarely had a solid run-game backing him up. If anything, I’ll probably be cheering for Donovan to smoke the Eagles this year, if only to spite the ungrateful fans.

Sadly, with Shanahan and McNabb together, the Redskins future is brighter. And yeah, the trade was retarded.

And yes…Vick getting into the starting lineup IS bad. That dude is done. He was never a good passer and his speed is quite average right now. I don’t even know why he’s still on their roster.

And don’t worry…even if Favre don’t choke, Childress will botch it somehow.

#19

We shall see, I am not a phan of Chilly, let that be known, but I am a fan of Favre and would take him for one year over 50% or more of the current NFL QB’s as starters on NFL rosters…

:thumbup:

#20

Well, he was supposed to make it to 4 of the 5 Super Bowls he had a chance to get to. meaning, he was one game away from the big dance.
He should have lost, and did, against the The greatest show on turf. He should have won, and didn’t against the Panthers. he shoudl have won, and didn’t, against the Bucs. He shoudl have won, and did, against the Falcons. (only to show ZERO enthusiasm for a 2 minute drill). He shoudl have won, and didn;t, against the Cardnials.

For the record. I am nto an ungrateful Eagles fan. I supported McNabb all the way, even through last year. But, looking at it from my seat, I’d prefer to trade him and get the 37th pick, and a 3/4 rounder next year, rather than keep him another year and get nothing when he rolls in FA.
I thank him for giving me somethign to root for past week 17 so many years. But I have read the Reid/McNabb book so many times, i am ready for the change.

I really am only commenting to say that i agree with you. Reid’s obsession with passing has driven this city effeing nuts for a decade. Esp when the QB you are asking to pass so much has accuracy issues. Any, if someone wants to argure that point, go back and watch his games. Hell, just go watch his playoffs games. Hell, just go look at the last series on the NFC Championship game against AZ. Historically, McNabb has come up short when the game was in his hands. Low passes, behind the receiver passes, over the head of a reciever.

I don’t know what Kolb is going to be. I am looking forward to finding out. I know this year will be tough, but 2011 should tell us what we need to know.

And for the Vikings fans…Favre is coming back. He and Chilly already know that, otherwise, Brad would have been all over bringing McNabb to MN. But, the lack of interest from #5’s former Offesive Coord tells me that Favre told brad he is coming back as sooon as the team breaks training camp.

#21
  • 11 draft picks in a good draft.

Kolb will be fine. Mark my words all you’d like. Kolb will do just fine. He’s a badass, whether you want to believe it or not.

#22

^Bad ass? Now you might be overstating it a little, no? I think he might be ok, but that team was being built over the past 2 years around McNabb…

And YES^^ Favre is coming back, this we know. :thumbup:

#23

Really? And this had NOTHING to do with that fact that he had virtually no run-support in all of those games and a head coaching staff who insists that this west-coast crap will eventually win it all for them? After losing game after game due to the offense knowing that you’re going to pass on pratically every down, would you think they MAYBE change things?..Nope. No way. Donovan looked bad in those games because at that point in the playoffs, he was playing a good defense and when a good defense knows exactly what you’re going to do, it’s easy to make your OB look bad. And there’s no way he “should have won” against any of those teams. Once you get that far, either team can win.

Yes you are. I would kill to have the success that the Eagles have had in the last decade. Appreciate what you have. I understand the reasons why they traded him now but that doesn’t mean that everything he did in the past was one long choke job. The dude was not a West-coast QB in a flawed west-coast system with a coach whose clock management at the end of games has killed them multiple times and he took it as far as it could go.

I’m NOT a fan of Favre but I agree with this. Who else are they going to get?

#24


:lolno:

#25

^BWAHAHAHAH!

Even worse, I heard an interview with him on Jim Rome just a few months ago and he’s STILL petitioning teams to give him a shot. The dude is nuts.

#26

Last year prior to Favre signing with the Vikes, George came on the radio and did interviewing circle for the Vikes QB spot. He said, “Had I been the QB the past few years, we would have won a super bowl”…

:laughing:

#27

Of course the play calling had somethign to do with it. But, people who don’t even watch football know the Eagles are goign to throw it, adn they were still able to get to all of the NFC Championship games. I say they are games they shoudl have won becuase they are games they were favored. And a couple of those games they were significant favorites.
But that doesn’t negate the fact that Dono still had accuracy issues, esp in big games.

As far as calling me an ungrateful fan, I disagree. I have supported #5 from day 1. I truly believed that each and every year he gave us the best chance to win, and I rooted for him to do so. Never have i said I did not appreicate what he has done for this team. I will cherrish the last 11 season for the rest of my life. Year after year, the national media said the window of opportunity was closing, and yet we continued to compete. I am so freaking grateful for that you could not imagine.

Nor I have said that the past 11 years have been ‘one long choke job’. What I did do was point out specific situations, in big games, where he didn’t get it done.
I understand your comment regarding Andy’s clock mgmt. Hell, i agree with it. Listening to sports radio in this town, you’d know the three things that people bitched about most are, lack of a run game, clock mgmt, and Dono’s accuracy.
But I will point out the last 3 mnutes of the super bowl the Eagles were in. Big Red was not on the field, taking his time in a huddle, strolling back to the line of scrimmage, and not completing passes…all while being down by 3. That was all McNabb. Like it was the 1st quarter and he had all the time in the world. And while it was happening…I still knew he gave us the best chance to win.

#28

Hello folks, and Happy Holidays. I know it has been forever since I have posted here, but I’ve been on a bit of a Phish hiatus…but that is for another topic.

I wanted to bring this thread back to the top to point something out to El Bastarde.

I am going back to the Eagles Giants game from last week.

Going into the 4th qtr no one would have thought the Eagles would have won that game. Hell, goinin into the last 8 minutes, no one would think they’d win.

In fact, until they were only down a td did I think there might be a chance…but I still thought they would lose the game. Not until they tied it up did I think they COULD win it.

But they didn’t. They won. And I took some time to reflect.

I think the reason i thought for so long that they were going to lose into that game is becuase of 11 years of not being able to win a game from behind. 11 years of not showing up. 11 years of passes behind receivers, at their feet, 6 ft above them.

Again, I know Mcnabb got us where we were for so long, but he was never able to do what this team did a week ago…and he never will.

We saw it, the fans, the coach, the ownership. Now Washington has seen it (albeit a shitty team)…and soon enough so will Minn, San Fran, or AZ.

Hope you all had a great Holiday, and have a great new year. For those going to the NYE run, enjoy it…for those who are doing the couch tour, enjoy that as well…I may stop by from time to time, but, until I am able to get back to a show, i will be limited.

#29

^Indeed. I stand corrected. McNabb is clearly done and Andy Reid saw it. Of course, he saw it because he wanted to go with Kevin Kolb and frankly, no one (except Reid, I guess) figured that Vick would still be able to play again like he used to. I give Reid credit…he cut ties with McNabb when he should have (even had no problem trading him to a rival), then also saw through his previous notion that Kolb was the better QB and stuck with Vick and it’s worked. Vick still has the same limitations (example: the Bears game where I knew Vick didn’t have a chance) he used to have though so I wonder if in a few years Philly fans will be going through the same “he’s great, not he’s not winning a Super Bowl” stuff that Atlanta had to go through…

#30

Andy Reid should be coach of the year.

Him, Mike Tomlin or Mike Smith