Election 08

THE POINT OF THE POST was: On all the MAJOR issues the two candidates are on THE SAME SIDE. NO DIFFERENCE in the two when it comes down to REAL issues. PERIOD.

WE THE PEOPLE ARE BROKE, DO YOU UNDERSTAND the deficit is in the trillions now? Do you understand we cannot afford any more WAR of ANY kind? NO YOU DON’T.

OVER both speeches were good, the next year is gonna be insane

fuck yes.

Double Fuck Yes!!

regardless of your stance on Obama, we witnessed something amazing and extraordinarally significant tonight. the power and light of sheer human positivity is in full effect. what an antidote to the tension and hopelessness of the past 8 years :slight_smile:

blame Leftwich and the Steelers!!!damn them!!

no matter who you support, I think we can all be fucking thrilled that we have heard the last of ‘Joe the Plumber’ speeches!

Joe Six-Pack can go fuck off back to his shitty life now!

dice.

well, as much as i’ve always been turned off by politicians, i’m pretty confident that the right guy got this job.

regardless of paper work and promises and technicalities,

this was a victory for the optimists.

Now that the campaign is over and my guy lost…I’m cool with it. I just honestly thought that McCain sort of paid his dues. Served the country his whole life and thought he deserved a shot.

That being said I don’t hate Obama and think that by electing Obama, the country has a better shot of becoming unified. I am as loyal to this country as can be. I will always stand by in good times and in bad times.

I didnt watch the returns did bong hits win?

I went in a little crispy, inspired by a post on the prev. page … I can’t remember who, Phishinsky maybe? It was great.

No line!

For a little while after I voted, I considered that maybe I should have NOT voted for Obama, but instead for a third party. Rhode Island was going Barack anyway, so why not? I voted green party once before and that shure felt nice.

Ultimately I feel like it was good though; the Dems gave us a viable candidate for a change, in my estimation, and I felt good about supporting that.

And holy crap when did that pot refer endum get on the Massachussetts ballot?? My wife and I were like WHAT? Cannot believe that. How did that even get on there? And it’s not medicinal, this is reducing the punishment for possession of less than an ounce to like, a traffic ticket.

Change indeed.

And there’s still more coffee on.

What a country!

^yeah i saw lots of VOTE NO ON PROP 2 signs around here, which i thought was funny/sad. are the old timers (or born agains or whoever) STILL that afraid of marijuana? of MEDICAL marijuana at that?

well, if it passes, i may suddenly come down with glaucoma.

OK, so we have the first African American president in US history…

…is the possibility of an attempt on his life an issue? I mean, there are some hard core people out there. You can bet that pockets of the KKK still exist in the US.

my thoughts on this are: if W has managed to live through the last 7 years w/out getting picked off by one of the many, many millions worldwide that might be interested in something like that, B’s probably gonna be safe from some backward redneck w/ a truck and a gun.

^ yeah but W had a good insurance policy - those who hate him, hate Cheney 1000x more.

O has a white man sitting in the on-deck circle.

We’re gonna paint the White House black!

In the end, I voted (I voted after work and I did the whole thing in ten minutes…had I had to wait in some line I wouldn’t have bothered). Anyway, I voted yes on the medical marijuana proposal (it passed) and yes to ease restrictions on stem cell research (it also passed) and in the end, I voted for Obama.

Yeah yeah…I’m not thrilled about him but unlike the last few elections I didn’t absolutely hate the guy like I did Gore, Dubya and Kerry. He does seem smart and intelligence seems to be the best choice for a president since he may need to make informed decisions and various things. I’m sorry I just don’t see the point in writing in someone or voting for some third party on the small chance that their party gets funding (by the way, the best third party was Nader and he only got 1% so no funding for anyone). I wasn’t THAT pumped on Obama but I do like the guy though as I filled in the circle I remember saying “Don’t fuck this up, Obama.”

Overall, I DO feel a little more positive about America in general. I never thought in my wildest dreams that we’d actually get a black president in my lifetime…I assumed that many pockets of the country, especially the South, were just too racist and not accepting enough to do that kind of thing. So the results of this election gave me a little more faith in people.

Overall, I’m seeing SMALL signs of a new change in thinking. People obvious wanted a new direction with a young president rather than the same-old stuff with McCain (whether they get a new direction is another thing). Also we got a medical marijuana and stem cell bill passed in Michigan so that’s a good sign and I even saw in Oregon and Washington that they passed bills to legalize assisted suicide which another example of fresher thinking rising up. If this type of stuff can continue and we can get this rigid, traditional garbage out of here than maybe we can see some more positive stuff.

For the first time in a while I feel a LIL positive at least with these local bills and movements actually getting their way. I still think federal government is largely broken but on a local scale, things seem to be getting better.

Of course, ALL of this is said with utmost caution. I could see all of this blowing up in our faces. We’ll see, I guess…

Stevo

People have to govern themselves if they want a Democracy. If Americans are really interested in changing their country they will change themselves, and not expect the government to do it for them.

I see this election as an opportunity for Americans to regain some of the freedom they’ve exchanged for political distractions and scapegoating.

^^good to see you feeling the slightest bit more optimistic Stevo. it feels good dosen’t it :slight_smile:

i’m feeling it too. i wasn’t sure about Obama either for a long time, but i had a change of heart over the last couple weeks. of course he’s in many peoples pockets (and that’s what was causing my distrust), but let’s be realistic here: in order to get into the position of major Presidential Candidate, you have to be. that’s how the system works. but here’s the difference: i think he truly is a person of integrity and vision. the entire WORLD is celebrating his win today. he has “something” that inspires hope in people, and that’s what the world needs most of all more than anything else right now. hope = empowerment.

we’ve endured 8 looooong years of fear, lying, theft and war w/ no end in sight, and no one to hear us. the people of America and of the world have felt so helpless and hopeless for so long that i think most of us, me included, forgot what it was to feel any different. change comes from US first, from the heart, from our outlook. overnight, the world has changed in a very fundamental way, and it’s the first and most important step in creating the world WE want.

this is the first time since 9-11 that people have come together on this kind of a level, and for once it’s not a tragedy that brings us here, but a triumph. i sincerely hope that momentum continues because it’s truly the power of THE PEOPLE that is the hope for our future, and if Obama’s the real deal, then we can finally move forward to create a world based on true justice and human dignity.

is Obama gonna repeal patriot act 1 & 2? no he voted for #2
is Obama gonna get our bailout money back? NO he voted for it
is Obama gonna end the war in Iraq? NO he’s going to expand the war to pakistan and afghanistan
is Obama gonna repeal the unconstitutional FISA? NO he voted for it.
is Obama gonna go after any part of the criminal Bush administration? NO, he took a friendly call from BUSH last night

Is Obama gonna do ANYTHING for the American people?, NO he believes in globalism.

WOW. 4 more years of sheople believing in the false left/right world that doesn’t exist.

“Let them eat cake!!”