The law that they have put in place is actually a federal law that is never enforced and has been on the books for years. They are just choosing to enforce it. Also, there are ten other states that will be following suit with the exact enforcement of this federal law. The law also states very clearly that it is not about racial profiling. Have you read the literature and the law in full form?
Everyone in this country is required by law to carry identification that is illegal.
Yes.
Federal law does not require local police to detain and interrogate anyone they suspect is illegal. If there is a Federal law like that, I would like to see it.
God, I really hope she is. She probably isn’t. But it would be absolutely awesome if she turned out to be.
I mean… there are chicks who look like her that aren’t lesbians… right? 
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It does if they do not have identification on them. It happens all the time. There is a huge hullabaloo around this but the majority of Americans are behind this law. It is the role of the officer to know who they have pulled over. Illegal or legal. That is what this law is about and probable cause is at the core of this law that is being misconstrued by alarmists. The officer has to pull over for probable cause. The alarmists are making it sound like it is something that it clearly is not.
Ten other states are slated to adopt the exact same thing very soon.
The majority is behind it. They were also behind segregation.
This law is not about probable cause, probable cause has always been a reason to detain and this law would not have been necessary if that was all it was about.
But, I think we’ve gone through this. Let me know if you find that Federal law.
Side story.
A few years back I run into a female friend at a bar w/my wife. You know, around x-mas when all the 20 somethings go out and run into old friends. So, I give the friend a hug and we talk and stuff. The friend leaves to get a drink and my wife said “Old girlfriend? You guys seem to have a connection.”. . . 
No, we played baseball together, I might have liked her that way at one point but she’s a lesbian. Wife “Ok, well that explains the outfit her friend is wearing, she looks like a softball player”
repeatedly.
Also note we’ve been over the “if you’re not illegal then you shouldn’t have anything to worry about” and “if you’re against this you’re for opening the flood gates” and all the other talking points.
The law clearly states probable cause.
Hey ship-- would a sigh smiley be better than a roll eyes one? 
I don’t see how segregation and this law are related in any way. Can you explain?
So what is “probable cause” in determining whether or not you are a citizen?
That is the issue.
Both were supported by the majority.
That is the issue. I am pretty sure that many of us know that probable cause can be obtained from a multitude of ways. Some of the ways are totally substantial and some of the ways are total bullshit. Arizona and several other states are trying to deal with an issue that has been swept under the rug for some time now.
This country was founded on immigration. However, the version of immigration that this country was founded on is not the current one that has been over run in present time. I am never against racial profiling even though I know it happens on a regular basis. I also know that the complex issue that Arizona and several other border states are facing on a daily basis is complicated to understand when one is detached from the ongoing problem. America is in a debt that it will never get out of no matter what politician A or B says to the contrary. We are currently being purchased by China and our resources are being depleted every day by individuals that do not want to go through the proper channels to gain citizenship.
It’s a complex issue and is one that I don’t think anyone has the single answer to as far as a fix is concerned. I certainly think that illegal immigrants should not be given a free ride in this country or any country for that matter.
A lot of things are supported by the majority but to draw a connection to these things as if they are somehow relevant to each other in our current time and place is a little confusing to me.
::promises to stop talking in circles:
::promises to stop talking in circles::
Which is open to a ridiculous amount of interpretation and before the courts can start to study whether certain “probable cause” has been used, the immigrant has likely already been arrested and detained.
That’s the problem. It’s a bad, poorly written law. It’s going to be abused by certain cops. This is inevitable. Everyone knows this. And yet rather than just having some actual foresight and stepping in to take down a bad law, they’re going to wait until a ton of legal folks get screwed over and abused by this law and then take it to the courts first. Why do we need to put everyone through this crap before they realize that it’s a bad law? Why can’t anyone actually look at the history of these types of laws, see where they will lead to and then then be actually proactive with taking it down? Why do we always have to screw over tons of people FIRST and THEN take the law down? It seems like we do this far too often. Everyone knows how this will end up and yet everyone pretends that it will be fine. Classic case of politicians burying their heads in the sand.
Doojer. I’m trying to be civilized here.
It will definitely be abused by cops. There is no question. However, I don’t know for certain how this is going to play out until it actually plays out. Time will tell. People obviously want something to be addressed one way or another with this issue. I wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for immigrants coming to find a better opportunity and I understand the desire to find labor in America by those that cannot find it in their native country. I actually welcome the process. The main issue is that the process has to be safeguarded and kept in check otherwise we have the depletion and decline that we see in current American society.
This doesn’t make sense. You just know it will be abused by cops and then right after that say you “don’t know how it will play out.” Yes you do. The law’s going to be abused because it has major loopholes to BE abused. Everyone knows this. Again, WHY do we have to wait for the abuses to happen first? Why can’t we show some foresight and take action BEFORE the abuses happen?
In the end, what’s wrong with just beefing up the local cops and stationing them at the border at all times? Maybe get some cash from their worthless federal government to do it. Heaven forbid we actually GUARD the border…