^Can we deport the politicians with the bankers too, please? 
I agree with this point but the heck could they possibly come up with that number? I’d love to know where the stat guys came up with that.
It’s worth mentioning that 70% of people in Arizona are in favor of the new law. So isn’t this how it’s supposed to go? I mean, shouldn’t government be passing laws that the majority actually WANTS? This is how politics is SUPPOSED to work and rarely does. And in the end, it’s just affecting their state. If Arizona people want this type of power to their cops, then so be it. Don’t like it? Then sneak over the border of Texas or New Mexico instead.
My theory on why they don’t go through the proper channels is many people who try to come here have various things on their record that may keep them from being allowed in here. An outstanding warrant…a criminal record…very poor understanding of English…something like that. It’s just a theory but it seems to make sense to me.
This is from the Yahoo article on that. That last line about detaining folks who are UNDER SUSPICION is awfully shaky there. That’s an excuse to detain any Mexican fellow for any reason. “Oh, we thought he was an illegal.” Again, profiling does work but these types of laws never work the way their intended and are always abused.
How is this thread “racist BS”? And what other “racist BS” has been going on to the point that you feel the need to carry your passport around with you?
^I think she meant the law this thread refers to, not the thread itself. Don’t want to put words in her mouth, but that was my assumption.
You’re right, we mustn’t discriminate here. They all go! 
Heya Jeff - my remark was purely directed at what appeared to be an ‘either/or’ stance on this particular bill. Like if we don’t do exactly this, then we just let illegals take over the whole nation, so this is our only option. (Your “let them run amok” part.) It was just that kind of oversimplification of an issue that is - as you illustrated above - much more complex that I responded to.
But yeah, it’s obviously a really tough knot to untie and there’s no easy solutions. If there were, we’d have adopted them by now. And for what it’s worth… I’m socially progressive but I’m not a whiny limp-wristed bleeding heart who wants to give everyone a home and welfare and food stamps just for fun. Federal law is federal law, and I’m sorry if that sucks but once you start making exceptions, where does it end? I just don’t think having states making draconian laws that basically REQUIRE police to engage in explicit racial profiling is the only possible solution. It’s not so much that I fear authority and hate all cops and think they’ll run roughshod over private citizens if given the chance (though no doubt, a small number would), it’s that I want sensible, intelligent legislation on a federal that provides a cohesive approach to and useful tools for identifying illegals and treating them humanely while enforcing our citizenship requirements.
I’m not sure where they would get that, but that was according to Vicente Fox, the Mexican president at the time.
http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20030924-2051-us-mexico.html
Some pretty ugly things happen when you allow majority rule without protections for minority rights.
Courts exist to protect the minority from tyranny by the majority.
^What about after slavery was abolished? You still had mistreatment going on everywhere and our law enforcement often looking the other way or supporting the mistreatment. I don’t take much security in thinking our justice system will stop things like this.
^I’m not saying they always come through. I’m just saying that even the majority can be overruled (by a group of judges selected by a group of presidents that were elected by the majority…)
Checks and balances. They don’t always work. But sometimes they do.
Which is why rediculus law should be shot down by the courts.
This is true but I guess I feel this isn’t as bad since it’s just a STATE law. I mean, if they want to be known as the “state of profiling” then so be it. There’s plenty of other states.
And yet this rarely happens since many courts are in the pocket of lawmakers. Even if they weren’t the process to reverse these laws is ridiculous. If an individual thinks it’s unconstitutional or something, they can’t just challenge it. They have to be arrested under the law, then go to court and get convicted under the law and THEN, and only then can you then appeal the law and take it to higher courts who might be able to overturn it. Who the heck wants to go through that just to get a bad law repealed? It took 50 frickin years for the Brown vs Board of Education law to be repealed. And they had to lose in the local courts first…and it took three years of legal crap after that to finally get the Brown vs Board of Education decision. By the time it happened, the people who originally were affected by the law had already put their kids through three years at segregated schools. The system sucks.
^I can’t argue with that. The system is clearly flawed. Although one can, in fact, challenge a law as the plantiff if they feel their rights are being violated.
I’d say our system, while far from perfect, is better than most. I’d rather have a flawed justice system (and work to improve it) than no justice system at all.
Immigration laws are a great issue for politicians because it’s easy to manipulate people using their fears about “outsiders” and appealing to Nationalism. I think the reality is that immigration benefits society and the arguments against it are mostly bullshit.
The law in AZ is purposefully written to sound tyrannical in order for the establishment to discredit ANYONE who is against illegal immigration and pass the amnesty bill with BIOMETRIC NATIONAL ID CARD. The whole thing is staged.
online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 … 66854.html
They need the biometric ID card mandated to the citizens in order to facilitate the mass arrests after the country declares BK and people start rioting. Add to that they may stage a false flag with a patsy with a suitcase nuclear bomb (which the Mainstream media has been hyping lately) at the same time to really confuse and scare you and make you go along with all the other tyranny they have in store.
veteranstoday.com/2010/03/29 … lag-first/
Just sayin…
Guys what I don’t understand about this illegal immigration issue is that illegal immigration is just that, illegal. While immigration, under whatever laws, is perfectly legal. Don’t people do this all the time? Don’t people immigrate into this country no matter where they are from and do so legally and become american citizens everyday? Now I can’t say I understand what it takes to immigrate to this country… regarding papers and whatever legal issues there are… but for cripes sake I am friends with people who came here from all over the world and they did so legally. I don’t think the issue is people not wanting “outsiders” in the US at all… the US was built on “outsiders”… I just think law abiding US citizens want immigrants to be law abiding citizens… and if you were not fortunate enough to be born in the USA (shut up springsteen) than there has to be a better way to become a citizen than crossing borders under cover of darkness. I mean, for instance, isn’t there a law that the US accepts refugees? I guess thats besides the point… anyhow there has got to be all sorts of means for people to come here legally…
so like… yeah I guess I just don’t get it… I don’t get where racism and fear and all that comes into play. I can’t understand why people can’t respect the law. It seems pretty simple. You can’t simply cross US borders and call yourself an american and start working and receiving benefits as a US citizen… there is a process to follow. Will somebody please set me straight regarding where all this stuff is so out of line…
^I agree with almost everything you said.
Again, my problem with this law is not what it does to illegal immigrants-- it’s what it does to legal, law abiding citizens and visitors.
These are the people we are trying to protect by preventing laws like the one they passed in Arizona. After working so hard to come here legally, why should they be subject to harassment or even detainment simply because they were born someplace else?
That doesn’t sound out of line at all. Doojer is correct that this law is MEANT to harass Mexican American CITIZENS, thereby creating outrage, in which, of course, the obvious solution is blanket amnesty with biometric national ID cards and guest worker programs when unemployment is high. right?? LOL!!