here goes nuthin'....

Non-Phish General
#41

I’m just a ball-breaker, pay me no mind in that regard. I’m sure that on more than one occasion I have been the Fruit Loop in the box of Cheerios.

Like I said before, I don’t doubt the existence of extra-terrestrials. The odds are there is life out there, somewhere.

I do, however, doubt all the proof that the believers have. Grainy photos, shaky hand-cams, partial documents, etc.

Frank Herbert wrote the the best speculative fiction I’ve ever read. In the Dune novels the story revolves around an underlying pretense, that all life in the universe does in fact originate on earth.

The idea that we are E.T. is just as plausible as the idea that we are not alone. I’ll accept either, but only when I see real proof. Until then I will hedge my bets and use my imagination.

#42

it’s all good bruvva.

#43

Makes me wonder how the aliens run their economy if they can afford this here interplanetary travel. ;D

#44

Took a dump this morning, looked like an alien… haha…

#45

::slight_smile:

#46

When they arrive can we ask them how they traveled across that much space and time (which would take thousands of years) and yet are still alive? Or are we assuming this is one of those aliens who are secretly living on Neptune?

Stevo

#47

^i think we’re talking about the aliens secretly living in our closets.

#48

David Icke is all about the topic of aliens. The reptilian lizard people are also shape-shifting extraterrestrials. I like David Icke and he has spotted a lot of behind-the-scenes connections that blow my mind, but he tends to lose me when he ties it all together with the aliens.

Just the first minute or so of this:

[flash=350,287]http://www.youtube.com/v/wdA9YJgITiA&hl=en&fs=1[/flash]

#49

just to let you guys know over the last few days Google Earth and other similar satellite programs have been showing really strange anomolies. big geometric shapes like, blocking out the clouds.

could just be a glitch, but given the timing…eerie.

unfortuantely for me, whoever put this video together has some grammar and dialect issues. this person also likes to use reeeaaally dramatic music. i know, i know. but i hope that won’t deter from what is being shown.

[flash=350,287]http://www.youtube.com/v/mwVpEle2dsc&hl=en&fs=1[/flash]

just sayin.

#50

our future:

[flash=350,287]http://www.youtube.com/v/kThD32onqQw&hl=en&fs=1[/flash]

so bright i gotta wear shades :sunglasses:

#51

yeah it’s hard to argue with that logic, haha ;D

perhaps you could show your bro this video filmed earlier this year in australia:

[flash=350,287]http://www.youtube.com/v/pOPrj6d1Y84&hl=en&fs=1[/flash]

#52

Ya see, it’s this logic I have a problem with. It’s not a physical impossibility that life does not exist elsewhere, it’s a physical improbability.

So until you have proof, real proof, you can’t go around espousing finite conclusions. This is why I do not take hardcore UFO’ers seriously.

Blind faith is a dangerous thing.

#53

^ Well put.

#54

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:wink:

#55

^^ But you have to admit that it is also possible that Earth is the birthplace of life.

I keep referring to Dune but only because I find the underlying pretense that all life in the universe stems from Earth to be quite a different spin on the whole “are we alone” question. Frank Herbert has written other novels that fictionalize e.t.'s, but I look to his Dune universe for a bold alternative. In those novels, millennia into the future, mankind is the seed from which all other lifeforms spring. Different atmospheres on different hospitable planets, different drug and food sources, newer ways of training the body and mind, all these things have caused man to, for lack of a better word, mutate. I don’t mean long green faces and antennae, I mean realistic human evolution. These books opened my mind to more possibilities, not as gospel but as one man’s imagination and the weight a thought can carry.

#56

I agree. Maybe this planet is completely unique. The absolutely perfect conditions and placement of the type of planet this is that has a perfectly placed sun that is in JUST the right place to make life here habitable seems like such a massive coincidence that it’s possible to argue that such conditions to support life would be VERY rare in the universe.

Of course, many of the doubters like myself do NOT argue that there is NOT other life out there. The chances are good that they are there. What I personally argue is that it’s HIGHLY unlikely that they’ve actually visited this planet or even know that this planet exists and has life on it.

Seriously, just read up on the vastness of space and the logistics of space travel. I’ve mentioned this before but to just travel from one end of the Milky Way to the other while traveling at the speed of light would take hundreds of thousands of years, maybe millions. And that’s JUST across the Milky Way which is miniscule percentage of the whole universe and that’s assuming that it’s Speed of Light travel which is a near impossibility. The very logistics of this type of travel is virtually impossible, unless you start incorporating things like teleporting and “warp speed” which is just stuff that is straight out of the movies and isn’t based on any real life science at all. Seriously, look this stuff up. It’s a virtual impossibility.

Stevo

#57

so when’s all this gonna go down again?

#58

Tuesday…probably right before they announce who got tickets. Maybe the Phish will get to play aboard the real mothership.

#59

here’s what i find kind of funny…

there is ALL KINDS of evidence for the existence of UFO’s and other ''paranormal" things in the universe. it’s just that it’s put into the “fringe” category, and people thereby dismiss it w/out a real thought. if it’s not good enough for the hardcore skeptics that normal folks from all over the world and all areas of life have seen and experienced things that are outside our normal, everday experience, there IS a bunch of “official” documentation as well. but even the “official” evidence is taken as BS by the sceptics. are they ALL lying? are they ALL crazy? or could there be some truth to it?

now i fully agree to keep your wits about you and question what you see and hear, but there comes a point (at least for me) where you gotta say “hmmm…maybe there is a point to all this.” i mean, how many NASA employees, gov’t employees etc have to come out saying the UFO phenomenon is true before people will at least open their minds to the possibility of it? check out that video i posted above. it could be fake, but it could also just as well be the real deal. can you tell me which it is or isn’t?

i guess my question is: what would it take to change your mind? or to at least open it up to the possibility? and what if…just what IF…something happens on tuesday?

#60

I’d need to see a UFO on tuesday, even just on the news stations, to believe it. It’s not going to be good enough for their to be a crop circle in England and a dead cow in Mexico. If it’s gonna happen it will be a worldwide news story, and then I’ll believe it.

And if you’re really asking how many NASA employees need to come out saying that the UFO phenomenon is true, the answer is 586. If 586 of them or more say that there are UFO’s that they have been covering up, then I’ll believe it. 2 or 8 or 25 out of the thousands of people that work for NASA just isn’t enough.