LOST: The Final Season Thread!

I think a lot had to do with real life walt growing up amd becoming to old and tall for his part. However, on the Jimmy Kimmel show afterwards, he asked Michael why his wasn’t in the church. Michael’s (Harrold) response was: “I think it was answered, he is stuck on the island whispering, and can’t leave.”

Well, from the tilme jake lands in teh the sideways, he and Juliet are already separated, and are not ‘getting it on’ anymore. So, with that in mind, I’d suspect that the sideways world that took place prior to 815’s takeoff wouldnot have led those on the island to ‘remember’ things that had happened there. It woudl have been only after the plane didn’t crash. Does that make sense?

Like said above, taking out the cork made both jack and MiB mortal. This was Jack’s plan…remove what makes the island special, which would remove whatever rules jacob and mib had in place, make them both mortal, and then battle it out in epic proportions.

This is where my theiry (after thinking about it) really comes into play.

It was the bomb…that is when most everyone we knew actually died. Afterthing after that was the path leading to the afterlife.
The one thing that i was noticing about the church is how many different religious belifs where represented inside. And it start as soon as Jack walked into the room with the coffin. There was a book shelf to the left of the door and on it was both Cross and a Manura (sp?). After that, I was noticing several other religious relecs spanning various belifs.
Again, in the JKL show, matthew Fox was asked a question about the ending, and his response went a little something like this:
There are also religions out there that say that after you die, you need to almost relive your life before being able to move on. A sense of looing back to where youcame from.
I think the after the bomb went off, the rest fo the show was a part of that. Looking back at the island life, who you touched, who touched you…the sideways life also played a large part in this. The last two seasons where a journey for the cast to move to where they would end up …at the church together.

I agree with that. It didn’t have anything to do with it. But Juliette said “It worked” so that implied that it did SOMETHING.

OR was that Juliette flashing back to her FS sideways self. We know she was rambling things from the FS right as she died…I remember the “coffee” line when she and Sawyer met in the hospital last night. Was “It worked” also said in that scene in the hospital and it was Juliette just flashing to something she said there? (Perhaps she said that when she got the candy bar from the machine?) I would need to rewatch that scene to pick up all her linesand see if “It worked” was uttered. If it was, then that explains that completely.

[i]The one and only thing that was kinda pissing me off last night was the LOST Target commercials.

I mean, there has been somuch integrity with this show all the way through, that it was sort of upsetting to see the sell out on the final chapter. but, money talks…right![/i]

And a few comments on Clark’s questions…

I don’t think Widmore cared about the island at all until his freighter blew up. As he said, THAT’S when Jacob showed up to him (he’d never met the guy before) and set him on his path and that’s when he started helping Locke to bring everyone back and then later brought Desmond back. Everything prior to that was a fued him and Ben had and a big power trip between the two. Remember, the freighter’s orders were to kill everyone on the island except Ben who was supposed to be captured…if Widmore cared at all about the island, he wouldn’t have wanted Jack and the gang killed…he didn’t know about any of the Candidate stuff until Jacob explained it to him. Now Ben CLAIMED that Widmore wanted to possess the island but Ben’s a big liar (especially then) and likely just wanted to discredit Widmore so I don’t buy it. Widmore changed after Jacob visited him after the freighter was blown up. I think Ben’s the same…he didn’t care about the island and only wanted that position of power for quite a while up until he killed Jacob…that’s why he had Widmore sent away in the first place…a power grab.

Yeah, the “where did he get those powers?” and “why was he special?” questions will never be answered. I think he was “fazed out” of the plot simply because he got too old to play the role and they couldn’t continue it. Sometimes the actors control the plot as much as the writers do. I’ll bet Walt was supposed to have a bigger role and didn’t. We could also extend this question to “how could Miles talk to the dead?” “How was Desmond randomly clairvoyant for a period?” and “how could Hurley speak to dead folks?” None of these are explained. As for what happens to Walt, he lives on and is raised by his grandmother and such. Simple as that.

Yup.

Dooj touches most of this. Juliette wasn’t Jack’s constant…she was Sawyer’s constant. They wouldn’t trigger anything with each other. If anything, Jack seemed to be the only one with multiple constants. Locke triggered a little bit. Kate triggered a lot more memories…then the casket did the rest. Because Jack was kind of THE guy in the story, he took longer to bring to “see it.”

Yeah, the “powers” of the island aren’t explained too well. The way I see it, the Light powered ALL the powers on the island. Jacob’s powers, Smokey, the healing powers…all of that. MIB became Smokey by going into the light. So when the Light was extinguished, all the “rules” and powers went away. Jack and Smokey became mortal and during that period he was vulnerable. Once the Light was restored, all the powers came back but Smokey was dead by then.

Yeah, I’m unsure on that. Again, it seemed like another “unexplained power of the island.” Both beings that came in contact with the light (Jack and MIB) were “ejected” but it’s likely that Smokey killed MIB and took his form before “ejecting” him. The light may have ejected Desmond too but he was special so he wasn’t ejected and could remove that cork. Just a theory as I’m not sure there.

Yeah, a bit confusing. In the end, Christian says the FS was a world that “you all created” as it being some ideal world where they all could find happiness. I guess part of that being that none of them wanted anything to do with the island…or at least the current events after the plane crash. I’m not so sure on this either but was maybe just a way to show that “Hey, in this world, the island isn’t even a factor at all.”

Dharma brought the polar bear there for research so that’s been answered…not sure why it kidnapped Eko that one time though…that was a weird episode. Eko was supposed to have a bigger role before he wanted off the show so maybe that had to have been scrapped. As for the wheel, the concept was made by MIB. He told his Mother that he knew it could be used to “leave the island” but didn’t know HOW he knew that or how it worked…he just “knew” which was why he was “special”…similar to how he “just knew” how to play that board game. As for who eventually set it up and why it randomly causes time travel and sends people to Tunisia, I have no idea. Another “unexplained power of the island.”

Technically, yes!

Me neither. I could ramble about this stuff all day. It was one of those finales where I really didn’t know what to make of it and it was seeing them on Kimmel and laying in bed thinking about it that I think I “got it.”


Here’s other unanswered stuff that I don’t really care about them not answering:

-The fertility issue on the island. Never explained and we’re not even sure when it started. Perhaps when the Statue of the Fertility God was destroyed?

-An obscure one: When that Naomi chick died, she had a pendant that said "“N, I’ll always be with you. R.G.” It’s never explained who “RG” was.

-Why were Dharma folks taking a “vaccine”? Perhaps to stop the “infection” like what happened to Sayid without them knowing that it only happens to the dead?

-Speaking of that, was Claire actually killed when Keamy’s guys blew up the house with her in it? I always assumed this was the case and it’s why she was “infected.” And why caused the “infected” thing…I always assumed it was Evil Locke’s powers but he never seemed to have complete control over infected folks. In fact, they imply that infected folks are unsavable yet Sayid and Claire seem to both “get over it.” For Claire, it could be argued it was because Smokey was dead and his "infected’ influence was gone but what’s Sayid’s excuse? Little flimsy there.

-Why did Dharma continue to airlift food to the island for so long? Didn’t they notice their people had been dead for 20 years? I suppose it’s just a convenient plot device there.

-Why did Smokey seem to randomly kill some folks and not others when, in theory, he would want them all alive so they could be corrupted and prove Jacob wrong about the nature of man.

-Why was Libby in the mental hospital. In the FS, she’s there because she saw visions of her life with Hurley. But she wouldn’t have that in real life. This was probably tossed aside because Libby wanted off the show.

-I think they solved the issue that the Numbers came from the degrees on Jacob’s big lighthouse and that’s it. But why do the Numbers show up everywhere?

I’m sure I can think of more.

^Gonna read this in a bit and ponder it…

On another note… why didn’t Jack say the chant over the water like Jacob and Alisson Janey lady did? He just handed the bottle of dirty water to Hugo and said “drink”. :think:

^ I thought that same thing…

But, I’ve got to think that it was becuase they had already used it twice nt eh show, so maybe it was just implied that he said it without actually showing it.

or it could have been just touching the person, and saying ‘now you’re like me’ did the job.

Can we get a somewhat comprehensive list of who was NOT in the church, and try to explain why?

Michael - stuck ont he island
Walt - living with Grandma (which supports the theory that they did not ALL die in the original 815 crash
Arntz - ?
Eko -wanted off the show?
Anna Lucia - ?

Any others?

^I’m telling you, nobody died in the original 815 crash, other than those that were shown dead in Ep 1 and when we found the other half of the plane. It was all real, just like Christian said.

So, to that effect, I think anyone who wasn’t there (walt, michael, Eko, Ana Lucia, etc…) simply wasn’t meant to end up with that set of people (our core losties). They, like Ben, had other things/people to attend to and ultimately spend eternity with.

And Dooj is right…no one died in that crash…people need to get off of this “everyone died in the plane crash” thing. The writers specifically debunked that idea…everything on the island REALLY happened and when you saw those folks die, that was them really dying. Now the writers never said anything about the flash-sideways not being the purgatory. They didn’t lie here.

I thought that the lack of an incantation was just how Jack did things as Jacob. It’s kind of like how Ben was telling Hurley that “those were Jacob’s rules and we can do it a different way.” The incantation was just a method of transferring the powers but it wasn’t necessary…Jack just had to wish it and it happened.

Overall, the folks not in the church is simple. They either weren’t close enough to the other Losties to be there (like Walt, Eko, etc) or they “weren’t ready” to leave that world yet. Ben was one of these…he wanted to experience life with Alex and such more and maybe wanted to reflect on his bad actions some more. Same with Faraday and Charlotte. Faraday had “woken up” but Charlotte had not (though she seemed to have inklings of it) and he still wanted to “make her remember” before he left. In the case of Eloise, she didn’t go simply because her son was alive in that world and knowing that she herself accidentally killed him in the previous world, she didn’t want to leave that.

Same withfolks like Ana Lucia who they specifically said “wasn’t ready yet.” She hadn’t discovered her happiness or met her “constant” in that world yet.

Lost the Return - will be out in 9 months, right?

I mean the movie is in the works already and the cartoon will be soon to follow but the mini series will return…

I’m really glad we got to see Rose and Bernard again. I love how they decided to stop worrying about everyone’s problems because they realized that their efforts often make matters more complicated and that it’s impossible to solve everything. If you can’t accept some things, you’ll spend your whole life struggling and will never have peace.

I’m also glad that we got one last glimpse of the real Locke after he remembered things in the AR. It was nice to see that he had moved on and was able to forgive Ben.

I am in full support for Lost: The Comic Book and just have those comics dww and i posted.

I actually had a theory that it was then who rescued Desmond if only because of a “who else is on the island to do it?” theory. But I figured that they were both done with the show after we had met them in the finale of last season and they basically said “We’re done with all the struggles.” Definitely nice to see them again and especially Vincent who had to recreate the opening scene with Jack at the end. Nice stuff.

And I agree…I missed good guy Locke also.

And there’s GOT to be a Lost book or encyclopedia or something coming soon right? And I’m sure the DVDs will have lots of fancy features. But the creators have said that THEY have closed the door on the series. However, it’s worth noting that ABC/Disney owns the show and I’m sure it’s a cash cow that they can’t ignore but I think Cuse/Lindelof is done. They both said that they’re going into hiding for a while after the finale as well.

from someone who worked on the show:

Yeah, the more I think about it, the happier I am with the ending. It would have sucked if they had just explained away the island or allowed them to just “reset” like nothing ever happened (and like a lot of fans were, for some reason, hoping for). If anything, this ending gave us a reason to have watched for 6 years, unlike a possible “reset” ending, which would have made it all for not.

My 2 major lingering questions were 1) why can’t babies conceived on the island be delivered and 2) what was the deal with the statue?

I think, after pondering, I have two theories: 1) nobody can conceive and give birth to babies on the island, period. This is why crazy mom lady has to steal the babies when real mom lady came to the island and it’s also the reason why Jacob needs to keep bringing people to the island rather than just bringing one good mother type and making his own little candidates. 2) Jacob runs the island with a rule that no babies concieved on the island will be born. This could be to prevent another MiB from growing up with a disdain for the Island and ultimately aiming to destroy it, or it may be to prevent a candidate from emerging without a choice, like him.

Either way, it’s a little weird that they spent so much time on that element in the earlier part of the series, right?

And who built the statue and why? Did I miss that?

This.

It really explains a lot, if you think about it (why Ben knew the things he knew without talking to Jacob, why he summoned MiB to kill the mercenaries, etc…).

Didn’t Horace’s wife have a child in the Dharma initiative? I’m pretty sure that she wasn’t pregnant when she came to the island but ultimately ended up conceiving a child. In fact, wasn’t that Ethan?

Yes. You are totally right.

So… WTF?

God, it’s gonna be crazy watching this whole series again… :crazy:

I feel the same way, brother :crazy:

I agree with most of the stuff in DWW’s post but I really question some of this dude’s claims.

For one, he says that Ben was “tricked” by MIB into killing the Dharma folks. Remember when Ben took Locke to the cabin for the first time? Locke heard someone say “Help Me” and Ben was immediately jealous because he later said that he had never heard anything in that cabin before. That was part of why he wanted Locke dead because Locke was “special” and Ben wasn’t. I agree that it was MIB in that cabin but we have no evidence that Ben ever heard him. I suppose he could have left notes for Ben or something but that’s pretty flimsy. And when you think about it, The Others and Dharma didn’t need any extra prodding to fight each other…they already were at odds anyway. And given Ben’s hate for his Dad, he didn’t need extra motivation to do the Purge. I guess it was MIB who lured Ben away to where he would meet Richard by appearing as his Mom but that’s far from giving him orders as an adult.

For two, I don’t buy this stuff on how they refused to change the ending at all based on how the show went simply because that’s stupid. Not to mention that the guy is wrong because both Desmond and Penny were there and neither were in Season 1 and I highly doubt that Abrams knew how big a role he would have because even Cuse and Lindelof didn’t know where the show was going at that point. To assume that they wouldn’t at least tweak that stuff is silly.

Plus he’s wrong on that thing about how Ben was supposed to be a “three-episode character.” I heard this straight from Carlton Cuse in a podcast: The Henry Gale character was originally cast to eventually be the leader of the Others. They brought in Michael Emerson to play Henry Gale but they weren’t sure if he was going to be good enough to take on the much bigger role of Leader of the Others. So they had a Plan B where if Michael wasn’t a good enough actor, they would just have Henry Gale be “another Other” over those three episodes and they would introduce us to the Leader of the Others in a different way. But it was originally planned for Ben’s character to be the Leader of the Others and not some “three-episode” guy. Not to mention that they said that Ben’s role was expanded because Mr. Eko wanted off the show…for all we know, it was originally planned to have Mr. Eko sitting outside that church and not Ben. This was directly from Cuse so I’d prefer to believe him…it’s on that podcast that I linked earlier in this thread.

Either way, I really wonder about this “writer” on the show. Are we sure he had that big a role on the show? Maybe he just the writers coffee twice a day and overheard a few things? I’m always suspicious when people don’t give their names for this stuff and after reading it, I’m even more suspicious. I don’t buy it.

As for Horace’s wife, is it because Juliette was there to deliver it and she was some big specialist? They all seemed worried that she would die and were all shocked when Juliette delivered the baby. Maybe Juliette was some miracle-worker since she had studied that stuff over the years. That’s the best excuse I can think of.

if that “email” was posted by anyone else but DWW i wouldnt believe it. :thumbup:

So glad I did not waste six years watching this. I’ll take my sports and music on tv.

Great input!