Major Scientific Study Says Global Warming Is Natu

Non-Phish General
#1

Consensus Shattered As Major Scientific Study Says Global Warming Is Natural
Attempts to reduce CO2 emissions “pointless” as sun is cited as climate change culprit

Paul Joseph Watson
Tuesday, December 11, 2007

The so-called scientific consensus that global warming is man-made has been shattered with the release of a major new study backed by three universities which concludes that climate change over the past thirty years is explained by natural factors and that attempts to reduce carbon dioxide emissions are irrelevant.

Climate scientists at the University of Rochester, the University of Alabama, and the University of Virginia report that temperature fluctuations over the past three decades are not consistent with greenhouse model predictions and more closely correlate with solar activity.

The report dismisses attempts to reverse global warming by reducing carbon emissions as ineffective and pointless. Authored by Prof. David H. Douglass (Univ. of Rochester), Prof. John R. Christy (Univ. of Alabama), Benjamin D. Pearson (graduate student), and Prof. S. Fred Singer (Univ. of Virginia), the study appears in this month’s International Journal of Climatology of the Royal Meteorological Society.

#2

Whats funny is proponents of global warming are so certain in the validity of the theory that they expound it as fact. Where 5 years ago all this was virtually silent. Its politics controlling the thought of the masses. AL Gore stickin’ it to the Bush camp because of his loss in 00’.

The whole thing is more a phenomenon of psychology then ecology.

#3

jesus…

this kind of chaps my ass as someone who is currently working to manufacture solar cells on a daily basis.

i’m not saying they’re wrong or that we are or aren’t totally responsible for climate change. i’m just saying regardless of our impact it makes sense to be responsible and furthermore (possibly more importantly) to work towards eliminating our reliance on foreign oil, or any oil for that matter, since it looks like it’s going to run out within the not-so distant future.

wouldn’t it be nice to not have to invade countries to build pipelines and steal their oil? i guess not…

now everyone can go back to thinking they aren’t making a difference anyway, so fuck it.

damn.

#4

AWESOME CO2 Party at my house!

This is excelent news! now i can buy that big suv that i wanted. And when i put it in my garage i will just let it idle all night so it will be warm when i go to class in the morning.

#5

We don’t need fear to get people to consume less or be socially and environmentally responsible, what we need is TRUTH…how about all those old TV’s people throw in the garbage, filled to the brim with Mercury and other harmful chemicals?, that’s ok as long as you don’t buy an SUV? noooooo, wasting ANYTHING sucks be it oil, gasoline, food, etc. CONSUME LESS IS A MAKE SENSE issue not a FEARMONGERING one…GLOBAL WARMING FEARS ARE TO TAX YOUR ARSE and take more of yo money, of course…how about the runoff of chemicals and flame retardents into our oceans, how come we don’t have BIG CONCERTS OVER THAT? How about all the harmful chemicals that our houses are made from, and, when they burn down guess where those chemicals go? yep into your lungs, where’s all the MEDIA JUISCE ABOUT THAT? COMPUTERS?, highly toxic…how are our old computers being disposed of, where’s U2 when you need them…

#6

wait…seriously? i mean…seriously? all that talk for nothing? it’s all bullshit? seriously?

i’ve never even seen An Inconvenient Truth, but i assumed it was based on sane, sound scientific data and wasn’t a huge load of lying bullshit crap shit. i mean, THIS is what the fundies and oil-tycoons have been saying all along. THEY were the ones telling the truth???

i am very confused right now.

#7

Man-Made Global Warming Is Politics Not Science
John Bender
Tuesday, February 13, 2007

On Friday, February 2, 2007 the U.N.

#8

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin’
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it’s your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people’s blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You’ve thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain’t worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I’m young
You might say I’m unlearned
But there’s one thing I know
Though I’m younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death’ll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I’ll watch while you’re lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I’ll stand o’er your grave
'Til I’m sure that you’re dead

Bob Dylan (Masters Of War)

#9

…classic thread by thnkfrstpal

#10

so what’s the deal?

are we, or are we not contributing to the earth’s rising temeratures? thnkfrst’s quotes sound shrill and hysterical and almost mean-spirited toward folks who are in the “we are” school of thought, but i’m no expert on the subject.

just what is the truth on this matter?

you can always paint the bullseye around the dart. i’d just like some objective Truth. it sucks that we can’t trust just about anything anymore because whatever it is most likely has a totally unrelated agenda behind it.

sigh.

#11

Okay, let’s say that we aren’t “responsible” for global warming, we’re definitely contributing to it. Our cars, our factories all churn out poisons and chemicals into the atmosphere that I wouldn’t actually call beneficial. Our world, but namely our country is pissing away so many resources for what reason? So Ms. Jones can have the status of driving a Hummer? I think our culture has become far too wasteful. Just because we have the resources now doesn’t mean they’ll always be here…and just because we have the resource doesn’t mean we should use them so frivilously! Americans are filling landfills at a record pace because they’re too lazy to recycle, reduce, reuse. Remember that ad? Nobody wants to be inconvenienced enough to conserve. Personally, I’ve discovered that when I do make changes towards conservation, I actually prefer it to my old ways. If everybody just did a little, the impact would be felt around the world. Oh, and I too find it very coincidental that this report comes about at this time. Contradicting reports will continue to surface about global warming. Just be smart, know your facts, and do your part reguardless.

#12

know your facts, indeed…

Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?
Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide
Timothy Ball
Canada Free Press
Monday, February 5, 2007

Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn’t exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was the first Canadian Ph.D. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition.

#13

ah fuck. that’s pretty long. tomorrow. i’ll read it tomorrow.

#14

The “Canada Free Press”… the finest source ever.

#15

I’m with Dan on this one. Most of the “Global Warming Movement” is a Chicken Little panic fed by the greed and power mongers in and out of the political mainstream. It’s become a 'cause c

#16

Nothing wrong with trying to live “greener” but mostly, instead of helping the environment, it just makes people feel good about themselves.

Pollution, such as heavy metals, is much more a danger than global warming. The sad truth is politicians and doctors and the like, so called “experts” feed us information and we take that info as truth. We make a serious mistake in logical reasoning accepting anything “authority” tells us as truth. Then we go into the world and perpetuate the lie.

For instance, we all know the metal amalgam fillings that are put into our mouths without a 2nd thought. Those things are 50% elemental mercury. A HIGHLY TOXIC METAL. Whats worse is mercury is highly reactive (esp in an environment near 100 degrees and 100% humidity). Tests have been done and show 10% mercury left in old fillings. Where did it go? Yup, into your body. Mercury turns into a vapor when it corrodes and we walk thru our life slowly poisoning ourselves with this terrible toxic gas. Mercury wreaks havoc on our tissues, organs and nervous system. Alzheimers on the rise? hell yes. They know the cause? hell no. I work with alzheimer patients all the time and time and time again their mouths are filled with amalgams.

“But if it were bad they would tell us!” Making the same mistake again trusting “authority”. The dental industry is in denial. The fact is any filling they put in our mouth has the potential to poison us but the tests are time consuming and expensive. So they skip it and go for the metal because its durable and long lasting.

The history of this is back in the 1800’s there were two dental agencies, the ADA and some other one… the ADA had no problem with the mercury where the other one (the name escapes me) did understand its dangers. Well for whatever reason, perhaps political, the “other one” was disbanded and the ADA became the only licensing agency.

So what we have in this world are the “experts” controlling the thought of the masses by feeding us info so we don’t look the other way and really see whats going on. While were all riled up about global warming real danger is lurking right behind us.

So whats the answer? I don’t know. But I sure as hell am going to use my own intelligence and reasoning when trying to care for myself or those around me.

I can go on about this because I see it all the time. Heartless doctors ruining peoples live because they don’t know any better. If there is a problem they opt for surgery or antibiotics. I’ve seen then take a 90 y/o woman who had some funny mole on her face and because they “thought” it might be cancer performed an operation which robbed the rest of the life force, which means she never recovered from the surgery, and she died 2 months later… yeah that little mole killed her alright. These damn doctors and “experts” sometimes kill more people than they help. And if we stand against such things the brainwashed masses come and squash you down. We will sooner kill each other off before we warm the globe… and even if we do who cares!!! It will happen so gradually we’ll all just adapt to the changing temps!

this ends my rant. If you read all this you deserve a cookie :slight_smile:

#17

i like chips ahoy.

with milk.

#18

and right before an election year is about to kick into high gear

this kind of pissed me off too.

what the fuck…obviously there are plenty of problems on a more personal and social level. we could make another dozen threads about that shit.

i’m just amazed that people still dont give a shit about the environment…

and talkfirstthnkscnd, i’m sure there are plenty of articles out there that i could post and people also wouldn’t read supporting theories opposed to the one you are proclaiming here. there’s propoganda on both sides. BOTH sides. but i still you cant deny we are fucking up the globe. to what scale? nobody fucking knows and if you did you could probably make a lot of moneyt (see propoganda statement above). but just because people CAN AND WILL take advantage of “fucking up the globe” it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to be responsible.\

ok, i’m done.

#19

How is my side propaganda ? none of the scientists on my side are saying let’s pollute more now that global warming has been uncovered as a non-doomsday scenario, merely a natural cycle. The Pro Global Warming doomsday myth makers however are trying to set up a 1 child policy, a global carbon tax for individuals and corporations etc…the scientists on The Hoax side aren’t getting ANY mainstream media attention whatsoever, meanwhile the PRO doomsday global warming folks are having huge corporate concerts and Pink Floyd is playing…most people don’t even know there is another side to the global warming story, they think it’s a forgone conclusion that doomsday is upon us…I’m sorry but if you learned about global warming doomsday from Discovery Channel, Al Gore, or any other corporate or political “entity” I would start to question where EXACTLY YOU learned about Global Warming doomsday in the first place. Did YOU actually look at both sides of the coin or did you let someone else form YOUR opinion?

REMEMBER WE’RE NOT SAYING THE EARTH ISN’T WARMING, WE’RE SAYING THERE IS A COOLING CYCLE AS WELL, COMING IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

How in the heck did global warming hijack the ENTIRE environmental
movement anyhow?

#20

yeah Will, CNN is credible too, where ARE those WMD’s anyhow? What, you think the corporate papers and media are going to give you the OTHER side of the story? Rupert Murdoch, I’m sure has your best interests in mind…