Thoughts?
I have not heard all of PH. From what I actually have heard, my vote goes to the 7/22/03 “Free,” even though it doesn’t get much talk on here to begin with. That “Free” just doesn’t do much for me. It’s long, and there was a nice glowstick war on the lawn during the jam, but musically speaking it doesn’t tickle my fancy.
I don’t much like the 8.9.04 and 6.18.04 “spacey” Chalkdusts, but a lot of people do. Maybe I’ll have to listen again.
I might have to Dodge some tomatoes on this one. But I could not stand the IT Fests 46 Days.
It was the first time I actually found myself trying not to pay attention to what was happening on the stage at a Phish show. I don’t mean to offend anyone’s taste. But that was the musical equivalent to (somebody else’s quote on the OKP that I rather enjoyed)…roughing up the suspect.
^I whole heartedly concur. I don’t think I’ve listened to it since IT, but with it being in the last set of fest, it just seemed to drag on and on. My weary legs refused to dance. I do remember a little joy when it came back to the main theme, but I think this was just a a “good, let’s get on with it” moment. I think it was the lowlight of the entire weeekend for me.
I know no part of Coventry can really be called overrated since it was the worst they ever played, however, the Split Open and Melt > Ghost gets a fair amount of applause, and it is the worst Split Open and Melt as well as worst Ghost I’ve ever heard. I don’t think the Bowie is the worst I’ve ever heard. Same goes for the Wolfmans Brother, Reba, and actually quite a few songs the first day…none of them are the best, but none are the worst either. The Split and Ghost are just way too hard to listen to.
^ i completely agree. there’s a difference between a jam getting out there and into good type II, weird jam, and sloppy playing…which is what i think the split open/ghost is.
havent ever listened to coventry. not sure if i ever will
I agree about the Split–>Ghost at Coventry. It was definitely INTENSE at the show, but the composed sections, especially in Ghost, are painful, and I don’t think the jams deserve the credit they get.
As far as Coventry though, I definitely think the opening sequence of Walls–>Jim–>Jibboo is not overrated. All of them are jammed out nicely. The Drowned and AcDc jams are a little overrated, just because they are the only bearable parts of sets 2 and 3.
I enjoy the Reba from Coventry and don’t think its overrated. Its certainly better than the SPAC opener Reba.
Overall though, I think there are far more underrated post-hiatus jams in the post-hiatus period than overrated ones.
Tweezer 02-28-03.
It’s not a great Tweezer, just a long one.
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I think its a great Tweezer, although I’ll agree it may be a little overrated. First, if you just look at the composed section–its easily one of my favorite post-95 composed sections (this may have a little something to do with having the crisp LIVEPHISH copy). The reason I say post-95 is the composed section of Tweezer became much different starting in '95. It was just as much about Mike’s slap and Page as it was about Trey’s riff. Anyway I think they nail the first 4-5 minutes perfectly. The jam itself…do you think it wanders around too much a? I don’t know, the 12-13 minute mark has a pretty “epic” quality to it, and the lively Fish/Page jam at 18-19 minutes is pretty sweet imo. The band sounds locked up to me.
I also like the drawn-out, dark ending from about 22-27 minutes…maybe because it sounds so unique to me.
What Tweezer’s from 1998 and 1999 and 2000 would you rank higher than this one? I can’t think of one. The Oswego Tweezer gets lots of love, but its just one sustained, spacey build up theme throughout the entire jam.
I guess I like the 7.1.98 Tweezer almost as much as the Nassau Tweezer.
12/29/03: Rock and Roll-> Twist-> Boogie on Reggae Woman-> Ghost-> Free
just because i didn’t go down there until the next night and my brother was there in 10th row seats that I went down there at 5am to score 2 months earlier.
/bitter
i have to agree with august here. while i enjoy sections of the 2/28 tweezer, i feel it’s very overrated overall. the composed section sounds very tired to me. imho tweezer peaked in '94/'95.
these versions from '98, '99 and 2000 own 2/28 imo…
6-24-00!!!
6-9-00
12-16-99
9-9-99
11-14-98
8-1-98
11/14/98 is one of the first shows I ever heard when I was getting into Phish. That “Tweezer,” while not long by any means (I think 14-15 minutes?) hits a pretty good peak and is a straight rocker through and through.
^^Most of those Tweezers have relatively static jams, though (although I don’t think I’ve heard 6.24.00) Not that that’s a bad thing, its just that they don’t stand out as much to me as 2/28, just because that Tweezer has a 94/95 quality to it in that it goes through so many different themes.
I agree Tweezer peaked in 94 and 95 though.
I would tend to agree that this Tweezer is a bit overrated. Mostly because I’ve heard people throw around terms like “Best Ever” and the like. Don’t get me wrong, I love it, as well as the entire show. But we sure can get carried away sometimes.
I totally agree with this. I hated these along with a couple of the Hodds that went to space and never came back. Just hated them. There. I said it. yah. okay. cool. later. bye
the composed part of the 02-28 Tweezer is severely botched.
Just listen to the guitar parts.Sloppy.
Trey’s voice sounds old and raggedy, just like some sock i used to cum in to and
he is really confused as to what part they are playing towards the end.He comes in a cool 4 measures after the “ebeneezer” space playing the main riff, completely unaware of where it is supposed to be.
The jam is nice. There are parts that i like, but people confuse “longest” with “best” often.
This Tweezer has literally become a joke
The jam stays “static” until the eleventh minute, when Trey does big wah sweeps and trys to introduce a chord progression out of nowhere, much like he did with the Mike’s on 04-03-98 with the Mozambique chords. Both were really awkward and had no place within the jam.
They shift to a major key at 13:00. Sounds nice, but is nothing groundbreaking for the band.
They stay here for about four minutes > then try to hook up on anything after that.
Fish is the real hero of the jam for giving it possibilities, at the very least, but most of his pattern shifts are never picked up on.
To me, this jam is both overrated and boring.
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sloppy composed part??!! I’ll listen again and try to understand what you’re saying, but I’ve always thought that composed part had a gritty, “sick” quality to it, mainly because of Mike.
Oh well. agree to disagree.
Maybe it’s because I’ve only listened to it twice, (because I’ve had no inclination to listen to it more) but if we are talking over-rated post-hiatus I’d say the 02-28-03 Bathtub Gin. To me this is an example of a static go-no where jam.