My mother is going to work the polls for Obama today in PA. 
And one of my co-workers was trying to get me to work next tue so i couldn’t vote for Romney.
haha these Obama supporters are getting slick.
Churchill was an amazing person. Here are some of my favorite quotes attributed to him:
“Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.”
“I am easily satisfied with the very best.”
“Never give in, never give in, never; never; never; never - in nothing, great or small, large or petty - never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense”
“There are a terrible lot of lies going about the world, and the worst of it is that half of them are true.”
“We are masters of the unsaid words, but slaves of those we let slip out”
“When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber.”
“For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else”
Churchill was THE fucking man…may fav. quote was what he said to Lady Astor, ‘Yes, Madam, I am drunk, but in the morning I shall be sober and you will still be ugly.’ 
Agreed, Churchill is iconic. I read part of a biography a while back by his personal physician, forget what it was called.
I took care of an old man at the nursing home who quoted churchill once… “Never give up a chance to pee.” lol words to live by.
I, too, have decided to volunteer for Obama. I figure, why not… might as well do what I can to keep this Romney character at bay.
Funny about your co-worker… I, too, have a co-worker that’s registered in West Palm and is considering a vote for Romney. She has always voted Republican, mainly because she’s pro-life, but she is very pro-PBS and also pro-gay rights, so she is genuinely conflicted and I guess she’s a good example of how someone could still be undecided. In any case, she was thinking of coming to visit me on November 5th and I was like “oh hell yes that sounds like a PERFECT time for you to come visit!” and she was like "you know I vote absentee, right? 
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Dammit. 
Well… call it a “liberal rag” but the NY Times makes a fairly decent case here. At least worth a read, IMO.
^they could’ve saved 500 words if they just said we support the liberal agenda and barack and mitt is evil. pretty much sums it up.
Dooj, I love ya brother but that reads like an Obama advertisement. Hyperbole out the proverbial ass.
I’m eagerly awaiting the big day, myself. I just get butterflies in my stomach whenever something huge like this happens. Yeah, I want my team to win, but the actual game is fun and exciting to watch. See, Dooj, it’s kinda like sports! 
Lol, guys… it’s an editorial. It’s supposed to be biased… that’s the point! But, if you care to understand the logic of the other side at all, the NYT endorsement sums it up pretty well for a lot of us.
And, yeah, it’s sort of like sports… except it actually matters. Well, that and the “players” can read and speak english… 
Oh, and the funny little pants. Political candidates don’t wear the funny little pants.
hasn’t that been what we’ve been doing? and as an ex-lib its easier than you think for me to understand the liberal stance. 
but that article was drivel. proves nothing.
i’ll admit there are times when i can see how easy it would be for me to slip right back into full blown liberal thinking and lifestyle. there are even times i long for it, just to let myself go and be like that again. It has actually been an amazing amount of work to lift myself out of those ideologies and mannerisms. You probably read that as a dig. It isn’t, its just the truth. i was pretty extreme i guess… i mean i was a hippie and very anti-corporation… anti-mainstream society… pretty typical i guess, and predictable.
and liberal editorials are very convincing. the majority of the media has a liberal slant, even if its just subtle. and when its not subtle, as in the NYT piece, it paints the GOP as downright evil… making the reader feel like that are a bad, failed, horrible person if you support the republicans. they characterize the GOP candidates as if they actually want to do harm, want to hurt the society.
ahhhhh well.
Yeah, I tend to avoid any and all editorials. Why just read something that’s obviously biased. I never see a use in that at all.
And boy, the commercials are ramping up around here. The most disgusting are these ones against this new bridge to Canada they’re trying to build in Detroit and this billionaire named Matty Maroun who owns the other bridge doesn’t want it happening since he’s a scummy slum lord and wants to control everything in the city and basically does nothing but block any form of progress and is one of the many reasons why Detroit can never get anything done. Anyway his commercials are just full of lies and misdirection…and not just bending stats like many of the others…just blatant lies…lies about who is paying for it or that they’ll hire Chinese steel and all this other stuff that is garbage. I have no clue how this is allowed. Well, I do have a clue since money talks but it’s really sad.
The others are all these proposals in Michigan that are proposing changes to the Michigan Consitution for various things like collective bargaining or alternate energy and such. There’s SO many commercials against them all basically just saying “don’t touch our Constitution!” They’re acting like these things are changing the US Constitution! Why does the state of Michigan even have a Constitution? What could it possibly have that the main one doesn’t? Do people even know what’s in the Michigan Constitution? Just a stupid concept overall.
I just figured it explained a lot of points I’ve been trying to make better than I have-- I didn’t realize it was useless to read something that was biased towards one side… I read right-wing articles all the time… never thought their bias made them invalid, even if I may disagree.
And, why be subtle in an editorial? Sure, from an economic standpoint, there are things to go back and forth about… but from a social standpoint, I DO see Republican policies as evil, ill-willed and harmful to society-- I’m sure there are many that see liberal policies the same way. I guess it’s hard to swallow when we’re all trying not to take anything personally… but, hey, that’s life. In any case, I agree with the bulk of what the NYT printed.
Plus, Jeff, after going back and reading all that Dalai Lama crap you were spewing in the Death Penalty thread, I’m convinced you’re still a liberal anyways… you just hate paying taxes.
i haven’t changed, i’m basically the same person i was in my 20’s… but i won’t act like that anymore.
Yeah, I was a pretty chill dude in my 20’s. But not nearly as chill as I am now. 
I never really leaned THAT far left, where I completely thumbed my nose at our entire system. Maybe that’s why I haven’t sorta swung the other way?
I have learned a whole lot about what the “right wing” thinks and why. And I probably agree with more of it than I ever have. But not by very much. I haven’t changed much whatsoever. I was never all that lazy or entitled, and I’m still not. I’ll continue to explore that mindset to attempt to understand though, because it leads to more discussions than arguments when you try and understand.
It’s which of our fears we interpret as true or not true that actually divides us. I don’t think our ideals are that different.
^I really agree with that sentiment; that’s what I was trying to get at back there. It’s a crazy conclusion to jump to, that there’s evil intent on either side.
Nothing inherently evil about leaning right. But policies within the Republican platform such as forcing a woman to bear the child of her rapist (motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08 … x-marriage) seem pretty darned evil to me.
And, again, I know there are many that see gays and abortion as evil… so, you know, that just is what it is.
^Well kinda. I mean, there are other ways to describe a point of view. Using the word evil ain’t gonna open anyone’s mind IMO.
I think that some of their stances are plain wrong, but my point is that THEY don’t see it that way. In a lot of ways each side speaks a totally other language, so I think we constantly misunderstand the other side’s logic.
One side will attack as if to reveal some big “AHA! gotcha!” moment, some blatant lie. The other side just shakes their head at being so obviously misrepresented in the resulting response, you know?
Like Jeff, for instance - I have never perceived that any of his convictions are because he has evil at heart. I have only ever perceived the evil to reside in his Slayer collection.
^Yeah, I totally get what you’re saying…I don’t see Jeff as evil, either. I was mainly defending the NYT’s right to say the other side is capable of harm. It’s ok to tell it how you see it, imo. Of course the word evil doesn’t do much good… but that article did not actually use the word evil, to be fair. It was us who went there. And, like I said, I’m certain some people think I’m a baby-killing, homo-loving, tree-hugging, heathen that is destined for the flames of hale (that’s hell. with a southern accent) and I think that’s alright, you know? So, maybe being a little evil isn’t that horrible. 
Yeah man I agree with you too.
I suck at this thread, I just agree all the damn time.