The Dark Knight

Non-Phish General
#92

I don’t think they’ll recast the Joker now that Ledger is dead. I have, however, heard of plans for Johnny Depp to play the Riddler in the next film. Which would be bad ass.

Of course, stupid hollywood gossip columnists are talking about how it would be a great idea to have Angelina Jolie play Catwoman. What a fucking stupid idea. Angelina Jolie sucks, first of all, and could never follow up a performance like Ledger’s successfully. And secondly, more importantly, the Catwoman movie was one of the biggest flops of all time, right up there with Days of Thunder. If you can’t sell tickets by putting Halle Berry in a Catwoman costume, then maybe the character just doesn’t have that much going on.

#93

I think it would be quite disastrous for this new series of Batman movies to follow the ones that the Burton franchise did.

Catwoman in the film after the Joker is a mistake, IMO.

#94

^Well it was that Joel Shumacher who ruined the first series. Once those Neon guys started popping up in Gotham’s underworld and the Batsuit had nipples, it was over.

#95

Very true.

#96

Who said I’m not happy?, very happy in fact. God, beautiful Fiance, Maui, 45 Phish shows over 9 years, many friends for over 20 years. Yep, nice and happy over here. However, my happiness doesn’t blind me to the realities of the world however horrible they can be at times.

#97

^Well, you’re seeing propaganda that isn’t actually there…that would depress the crap out of me. Like I said before, you can’t help it but it just must suck sometimes. As great as your life is as you say, if you weren’t constantly deluding yourself, it could be better. And yeah, I know, I know…I’m the one who’s actually deluded and blind to what’s REALLY going on…I know…

Anyway…they need to leave Catwoman alone for now. Her character was never that great to begin with and while Michelle Pfieffer was okay in the 2nd movie, they don’t need to redo it. Putting in the Riddler sounds like a good idea. Maybe it’s me but I don’t like films with multiple villains…it just ends up as a big clusterfuck kind of like Spider Man 3 which was a disaster. They did it fairly well with Two-Face and Joker but I wouldn’t push your luck…I’d say one villain is usually more than enough to carry a movie.

Stevo

#98

i’m not so sure about that, i def got some social commentary vibes from the movie, all the terrorist stuff and how they now make batman movies to be more realistic instead of comic book"y" to sell to a wider audience and throw their ideals/views at an audience that is there to escape (for the most part) everyday life into a realm of fantasy, i mean for christ’s sake, “Wall-E” was one big propagandeic social commentary movie

#99

Seriously, what the fuck was Wall-E?

I still dont see the difference between ‘terrorist’ and ‘super-villian’… they both reign shit over whatever their goal is so… aren’t they fucking synonomous?

as for comic book genre of movie… all depends on whos directing, acting, etc… I see the Burton movies and the current run both entertaining in their own right, but i like the realistic stuff more because… yea technology kicks ass nowadays…

anyways GR is right about judging the movies especially since Dark Knight just came out and the future, but to say “Jack is just a better actor than Heath Ledger”… well Heath hasnt necessarily been around as long as Jacky boy right? so imo its kinda like judging the movies if your judging the actors…

but to the negativity around here lately, damn keep it fuckin breezy up in this beotch.

#100

i think there’s a lot of propaganda in movies these days because movies always (for the most part) reflect the time they are made in. we live in fucked times.

and seriously, if you scratch the political surface, these times are even more fucked than we are led to believe.

but anyway, yeah. that’s why all the propaganda and shit.

bunnies! (re-restoring the breeze)

#101

bunnies?

Pick your poison

#102

I could totally picture that happening.

#103

Johnny Depp=Twisted Riddler=Pure Unadulterated Tits.

and i’ll have nothing but that.

#104

Yes, that’s why we go to movies so we escape all that silly stuff. When I watch movies, politics and crap are the LAST thing on my mind.

Half the time I wouldn’t even want to watch a heavy political movie. All it does is tell me how fucked up everything is which I already know. Great, everything’s fucked up. There’s nothing I can do about it so why worry about it? But that’s me…some folks really enjoy it so to each their own. I’m not one to judge anyone.

Speaking of bunnies…here’s some non-propaganda footage of a classic bunny scene…Man, this movie rules.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCI18qAoKq4

And the more I think about it, the more I realize they really can’t bring back Two-Face. The whole point about Batman saying that he did the murders at the end was to keep Dent as a hero and not let the Joker “win.” If they bring him back then that whole message is completely ruined. Seems a bit silly to me.

But seriously, just because a guy blows stuff up and they show a corrupt system doesn’t mean it’s some political statement. They had terrorists in movies before 9/11 and had corrupt politicians in movies before any of the current era as well. Sometimes these things just make for an interesting plot and aren’t there to tell you anything.

Stevo

#105

Boo. Just posted all about what I thought about the film and then lost my post.

I liked it. Too melodramatic, and a smidge overrated. I tend to agree with Nicholson = Ledger.

Ledger was good. Didn’t blow my mind like I kind of expected him to.

I left the theater feeling like I didn’t really care for it, but had some great conversation about it afterwards… reflecting back, I realized how much I actually liked the film.

#106

I have this bad habit of hitting the Escape key at the worst times which seems to instantly delete anything you typed in these boxes with basically no way to get it back. I get SO pissed at that. Why the heck would they stick that function to the keyboard!!!?

I think the length didn’t help it. Combined with the 10 hours of previews before the movie it took quite a while to get through. I started to get a little weary near the end but it picked up with the final scenes so I forgot all about it being too long.

Stevo

#107

I didn’t like how the Joker was left (literally) hanging so that we could all focus, for the remainder of the film, on the less interesting Harvey Two Face character.

And as I said, I didn’t like the melodrama of it all …

Outside of those factors, it was more than you could really hope for in a film about … freaking Batman. It’s Batman, and that’s important to remember. Same kind of thinking that keeps me from getting too upset about the dumb parts of Revenge of the Sith … I mean, how critical can you rightfully be of this kinda pop art? It’s like giving a food critique of the dollar menu version of the McChicken.

#108

^Well Sith had really great actION, but really bad actING.

#109

^ I think it had better acting than Ep 1 or 2. And a way better story.

#110

^I love Ep. 3 actually; definitely a strong Star Wars movie as Star Wars movies go. I just cringe at a couple minor things, that’s all. Can’t stand how Padme loses the will to live, and that the robotic robot-faced birthing robots couldn’t find anything medically wrong … but they could tell that she lost the will to live, whatever that means. Can’t stand Padme’s acting in that film either - she was great in Ep 1 I thought; what happened there?
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I thought some of the dialog was cheesy, in like a cheesy girlie movie kind of way. And that, that’s really okay because it’s just a Batman movie. Like, there are aspects that I didn’t like, but what do I expect when the whole artistic vehicle isn’t something I’m crazy about in the first place?

I think I really need to see it again, because I was so analyzing it to death while I was watching it. I found some things I didn’t care for and kind of clung to them. A second viewing would probably help me appreciate it.

#111

I agree with this. I’ve read some ridiculous articles (far more ridiculous that anything here) with people FAR overanalyzing the film. Seriously, it’s a comic book film and it strives to be like that.

As for the new Star Wars. The first few films were pretty bad but were saved by the action scenes. Part 3 was better and I thought it was pretty good until they had Darth Vader go “NOOOOOOO!!!” like a cartoon character at the end. The ENTIRE frickin three movies leads up to that final scene of Anakin’s transformation into Vader and that idiot Lucas completely ruins it.

And yeah…the acting is HORRENDOUS in basically all three movies though part of it was due to bad dialogue. I mean these were the only movies where I thought that Samuel L. Jackson’s acting was terrible and I think most of it is because it’s impossible to deliver that dialogue and still look good. In the original three Star Wars I’m convinced that other people must have had a hand in the dialogue and acting in addition to Lucas since those three are all solid films. And considering the direction of the latest Indian Jones film, I’m convinced that Lucas had a LOT of help in his earlier films since his latest ones with just him directing have been horrible.

Stevo