Who’s driving this car, Stevie Wonder?!
that’s a good point. i’m not against his tone, i guess i’m just not a fender guy really. i have a mesa (nomad) and an orange (rockerverb) but i love the sounds trey gets no matter what he’s playing.
someone said he dropped the mesa around 97. they went into a funkier direction around then. that’s cool too but i did grow tired of trey just playing funky chords and throwing loops in there. it’s good for some stuff but i felt it was overused and kind of a crutch at times.
Hans, baby. I’m your white knight.
I don’t know if I’m more surprised that PT has that much sway over Trey or that Tom Marshall is an “avid” PT reader. I always thought he was above that kind of shit.
well, you thought wrong
I read today that PT members have purchased a ross compressor and Had it engraved…Tom is apparently getting it to trey…
I hope he uses both sounds pre and post…
JUST STAY OFF THE FUCKING KEYS!!!
SORRY '99 LOVERS
from phishthoughts.com
The Ross Compressor
[b]Recently on Phantasy Tour there has been extensive discussion about Trey
I’ve always thought that his sound just sort of matured throughout the years. It was nice and tight in the late 80s/early 90s…got a little thicker during the funk of 97-99, got kind of dirty in 2000, then got real dirty PH.
The overall sound of the band, IMO, progressed this way as well. I guess that’s the natural evolution of a band, to lean towards a more mature sound the more you play? They always sounded so youthful and such in their early days, but then in 2000 you could tell it’s a bunch of late-30s guys on stage doing their thing.
Of course, that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.
^I don’t hear it as maturity in their sound. I mean, aside from leaving behind the toy piano after new years 92.
;D
To my ears, Mike, Fish & Page evolved, or matured if you will, but mostly just by gradual, slight refinement of their sound (Mike gets clearer and easier to hear all the time, Fish’s drums sound gorgeous PH, etc). Those three guys sound only seems to change via slight improvements to their equipment, or changes to how they play.
I think the change in Trey’s sound is decidedly different from that of the others. Worlds different. I mean, different worlds. I mean … what do I mean anyway?
Yeah, so although Trey’s arsenal of sounds definitely expanded and improved in those ways, he didn’t keep his chops up, and almost intentionally let everything get rough around the edges - like he didn’t care as much about it anymore. His whole mindset must have had a link in the chain of pedals on his foot pedal board, because it sounds like his guitar didn’t care anymore either. You know what I mean?
It’s hard to totally separate bad tone from bad playing, so of course there’s that.
You know, when it sounds like the guitar is out of control, too much distortion or volume or feedback (or all three!), … its intended effect is Rock 'N Roll Goodness. But often it’s actually just crappy and obnoxious! Can’t say I hate it altogether though. On a good night, that Rock 'N Roll Goodness comes through in that crusty brown dirt chunk grunge slam fart sound, and those crazy moments are … they’re … they’re crazy gooder.
He stopped using that after '94 and started using a Custom Audio Electronics 3+SE preamp into a Groove Tubes power amp, and gave that up for the modified '65 Deluxe that he uses now. The amp isn’t the problem with his tone, he just needs either a Ross or an Analogman Comprossor. I’ve owned one for three years and it’s the shit. The silver modded tube screamer is the best I’ve ever played through and I’ve owned that for three years too.
I’ve given it a lot of thought, and I do prefer the pre-hiatus tone. The more raw, growly tone works well for the post-hiatus style jams but it make the composed parts of songs sound rough in a bad way. Presumably he has/could have a pedal to turn the compressor off and on, so I don’t understand why he got rid of it entirely.
^
Because he was on drugs, maaaaan.
^ very true
BRING ON THE COMPRESSOR!!!
it would be nice
Yeah, I have a ts-9 with the silver mod as well and it is great…thinking of getting another one.
btw, I guess PT beat us to the punch, and bought Trey a Ross compressor and even had it engraved…pics are on Mr Miner’s phish thoughts. They sent it to Tom who is going to deliver it to Trey for Christmas.
Yeah, unfortunately. I play with a Ross clone and I know playing a hollowbody at those volumes with tube screamers crankin creates heinous feedback if the strings aren’t being played or muted by Trey when the compressor is on. It is a lot less physically active on Trey’s part when the comp is not present.
ah i would love to get my 2 TS-9s modded by analog mike… too little money, too little time…
however, my recent escapade into bass made me fucking yearn for a Meatball, which I know Wupphl got a few years back… damn what i would give for one of those
i have an original ts-808 i wanna get some stuff from analog man when i have the cash, my friend bought the ts-808 from him and put a silver mod in his ts-9 they both sound amazing
It’s worth it by far in my opinion, I’ve used it onstage for years it is worlds better than stock. looks badass with an orange LED too