Virginia Tech Rampage

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#122

Bush is sane.

well, the fine line betwixt sanity and it’s mad brother is blurry at best. But i’ll argue this: Bush never got where he was and doesn’t do what he does now without the support of hundreds of thousands of people be they donators, co-workers or voters. I truly believe that democracy (in all its forms from the USA to Europe and beyond) will prevent an absolute lunatic from achieving such power.

I certainly disagree with much of the Bush administrations actions (not that my English opinion should actually mean shit) but the truth is, it is not the mad ramblings of one insane mind but the representation of the will of thousands if not millions of people. Certainly this is not likely a majority (especially now) and maybe all democracies will learn from this era but GWB could not have survived if somebody out there didn’t agree with him.

Cho on the other hand had no supporters - some may arise posthumously but they will be an abject minority.

And I guess this is the thing with insanity - it really just is a minority outlook on life. You are considered sane because you agree with most other people, insane if you don’t.

#123

to be fair, the people that do support him, I believe, do not have all the facts. I believe if they did have all the facts they would not support him, as he is in direct violation of the constitution on many levels. In addition, he got to where he is by money and nothing else, blood money on top of it. the will of the people of the untited states is not being done.

#124

Woah pal. Think first!

When did I ever mention your name?

You are always very defensive.

#125

LOL, WHATEVS

#126

Well for one, the president doesn’t have a vendetta against rich and Christian people…

Considering that you yourself believe the president got to where he is now because of his dirty money that, coincidentally, Cho professes to hate in his video, you slowly, in my book at least, strip yourself of credibility through your dramatizations and contradictions.

#127

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#128

^hahaha sloth… wth.

Thnkfrst I’m happy to see you are so passionate about the USA and feel great sadness about the wrongs done against others. Shows you have a good heart. Many people 'round these parts have a good heart.

#129

Ugh…

http://www.kptv.com/news/12712260/detail.html

Student Candidate Lies About Va. Tech Cousin For Votes

ASHLAND, Ore. – A candidate for Southern Oregon University student body president has admitted she was lying when she claimed she had a cousin who was killed in the Virginia Tech shootings.

Brandi Freeman spoke at a candlelight vigil held by students at the university campus in Ashland Thursday night.

With tears streaming down her face, she had claimed she had lost her cousin in the shootings that left 33 dead at Virginia Tech.

By Friday, Freeman admitted to making up the story to appeal to voters for the student body election next week. She also said she suffers from bipolar disorder.

Freeman is a dean’s list student and a member of the student senate. But she said she’ll likely drop out of the student body elections because of her actions.

#130

Everyone should drop out of school.

#131

I’ll second that.

#132

On “This Week w/ George Stephanopolous”… the round table discussion with George Will (who I find myself agreeing w/ most the time), Cokie Roberts(read Cokie=Crazy) and Sam Donaldson (who has the best hair in the business)… I’m digressing but the POINT; Mr. Will raised a case (I’m sketchy on details) where a gunman killed a dean and another person on a college campus but was sudued by 3 students before he could kill more people. How’d they do this? They retrieved thier own guns from their cars. The basic point being how are you going to fight a person with a gun? With another gun, of course. That is why I think taking guns out of good peoples hands is wrong… only those who mean harm wind up having them. Now, in a perfect world there would be no guns, we’d abolish guns. But guns exist and good people need the means to defend themselves.

Ugh, you must understand I hate the whole thing; guns, war, weapons. But I don’t understand how we can just let crazy people with the intention to harm others run loose in the world without working to subdue them. I think that takes bravery.

#133

thnkfrstpal - my point was that you may want to recosider your approach to these issues. if your content just yelling about how unjust the world is the fine. proceed as you were. but if you really want to affect policy you’re going to have to connect with the mainstream. centrists aren’t going to hear anything you have to say if you spout about 600,000 dead and a president who hungers for blood. you end up marginalizing your argument and your cause.

if you want to effect change you need to do exactly as your name says… think first pal. the patriotic, relgious center of american politcs can be reached, but you need to have tact. essentially, you have two options: play the patriotism and moral arguments to your advantage. or, vote for nader and continue screaming about injustice. but if you choose the latter, from my point of view, you’re simply reinforcing the policies you loath.

#134

some people will get it, others won’t, no biggie.

sleep well.

Zoot, I hear you. thnx

#135

Tune in, turn on, drop out?

#136

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#137

thnkfrstpal…are you serious? to say that bush is equal to cho is literally the most ridiculuos thign i have ever heard in my life. you are being a stereotypical radical politician (ignorant). lets be real here

#138

I’m not sure what your trying to say here, but if what I said in my last post doesn’t penetrate your skull, well…I’m just done arguing with you.

#139

it’s all good, great discussion. Anybody get that ben and jerrys shake with the free songs?

#140

The problem isn’t that good people can’t get guns. The problem is that crazy people can too easily. Gun control opponents always argue that limiting the sale of guns isn’t adressing the real cause of the problem and is wrong because it would limit our freedoms and not really fix the problem. Then they turn around and back up their arguments with statements with reasoning like “If someone had a gun they could have stopped this person”, as if the lack of guns in the school caused the killing spree.

It’s just a bad argument. Yeah, someone with a gun could have stopped him. Someone with a gun could have missed and killed someone else and then he could have shot them. Ten people could have rushed him and beat the shit out of him. There’s no way he could have taken all of them out.

My point is that gun sales could very easily be restricted in the US without limting the freedoms of gun owners, and it would reduce the probablility of gun related deaths.

If limiting gun sales is such a threat to peace in America, maybe we should just make gun ownership madatory, like in Switzerland. Everyone would receive military training and it would be law that every home has a gun. I don’t think that includes concealed handguns, which we need to protect form the crazy people on the street. So on top of making it mandatory for us to have rifles in our homes, it should be mandatory that all people carry handguns as well.

#141

Reason at its best!